Western States talk 2018

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

UltraUltraMan wrote:

Is this an Ultra-jogging star?

What's his mile time?

Is he a speed based beast jogger or more of a strength based guy, say from the race walker lineage?

Is he a sub 3 hour legend like some other ultra legends or does he just talk the talk?

Yawn. Nice try.

His PRs (from college) are a 4:04 Mile, 13:52 5K, 29:08 10K

Strava Estimated Best Efforts

1k 2:26

1 mile 4:14

5k 14:21

10k 31:10

Half-Marathon 1:07:29

Marathon 2:33:22

Sooooo yeah, he can walk the walk. Please feel free to post your PRs

OK.

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1:50

4:13

(High school)

Anything longer or in the mountains is best suited for mountain bikes!

TrackHak wrote:

OK.

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1:50

4:13

(High school)

Anything longer or in the mountains is best suited for mountain bikes!

Are you kidding? You cannot do the WS 100 or any of the other mountain ultras on a mountain bike. If you tried it would take you longer than trying to run/speed hike it. Have fun carrying your bike.

Hounddogharrier wrote:

Walmsleyism wrote:

Nope.He will DNF because he will blast the first 50km as fast as he can -- well under 3 hrs. Walmsley will never learn.

After Rupp and Hasay , Jim is America ‘s number one distance personality , love him or hate him everybody knows him . I, for one , hope he smashes that record .

I asked everyone at our club team run yesterday if they knew who Jim Walmsley is. 1 of the 23 did. 23 of the 23 knew who Shalane Flanagan is.

Oh boy - I'm hoping for another Walmsley blow up and DNF. Nothing better than rooting against this guy.

Unfortunately I think he will hang with the pack like he did at UTMB in the early miles to avoid the blow up. Not sure if he wins but he'll for sure finish top 5.

alexle85 wrote:

Not having Florian Neuschwander in the Top 10 is a joke.

Im pretty sure that he will finish and that he will surprise a lot of you guys.

You just don't know him. Look him up ;)

Yup, exactly what I was going to say.

Looks hilarious, seems pretty funny too. Not quite Walmsley standard on the track/roads but arguably better than anyone else in the race (unless I'm mistaken?)

5000m - 14:22

10000m - 29:51

HM - 66:20

Won a Golden Ticket race by a fair margin to qualify. Just ran Wings for Life Race in blazing heat, managed 69.5km in 4:35 (6:22/mile pace). He hit 85km one year in better weather.

Not sure he's even done a 100 miler but training looks excellent and still races XC and 10k's on the roads etc. Easy to root for. I'm saying Top 5 easy.

HolyPrick wrote:

I can see François D'Haene pulling a "Ryan Sandes" this year.

Heck he will be his pacer even.

For sure. Forgot Francois was in it. He is one tough dude!

Has raced in the heat much? I could see that being an issue.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Yawn. Nice try.

His PRs (from college) are a 4:04 Mile, 13:52 5K, 29:08 10K

Strava Estimated Best Efforts

1k 2:26

1 mile 4:14

5k 14:21

10k 31:10

Half-Marathon 1:07:29

Marathon 2:33:22

Sooooo yeah, he can walk the walk. Please feel free to post your PRs

Are these times supposed to be fast for elites? My PRs from college are very close to his. Maybe I should be an ultra jogger too.

In the last couple years I was excited wondering what Walmsley would do, but I think this year the real excitement will be to see whether Camille Herron can manage a big overall win. I imagine most people on this board don't think a woman can beat all the men, but Andy Jones-Wilkins just had a great piece on irunfar [https://www.irunfar.com/2018/05/ann-trason-and-the-1995-western-states-100.html ] about how back in 1995, Ann Trason was up at the front with Tim Twietmeyer up until past mile 93, and that she finished in second place overall that year. Last year, Camille was the first American woman to win Comrade's since Ann Trason some twenty years before. Plus, Camille is more of a "man" than probably all the other "men" in the front, as she typically drinks a beer during races! Not only do I think she might manage to beat Jim Walmsley, I think she could have a shot at being the top overall finisher. Yes, I know the odds are very low, but I am going to throw it out there: Camille is going to be the the top man or woman to finish WS this year. And, even if she doesn't, my fat arse is going to be following the race online drinking a beer and cheering her on! I do think she has a good shot at a top-10 overall finish. Oh, yes, and of course she gets major bonus points for running Comrades two weeks before. I don't think Jim or any of other male contenders at WS are tough enough to try that!

random on looker wrote:

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Yawn. Nice try.

His PRs (from college) are a 4:04 Mile, 13:52 5K, 29:08 10K

Strava Estimated Best Efforts

1k 2:26

1 mile 4:14

5k 14:21

10k 31:10

Half-Marathon 1:07:29

Marathon 2:33:22

Sooooo yeah, he can walk the walk. Please feel free to post your PRs

Are these times supposed to be fast for elites? My PRs from college are very close to his. Maybe I should be an ultra jogger too.

You do realize, even in a regular 50k there's likely more elevation climb and descend on varying terrain than any elite road runner will probably ever cover across their major races, for years, if not they're entire career combined. If all these road runners are tough enough and joke at the ultra scene, then quit with the excuses and sign up to prove your point. Boston clearly demonstrated why elite road runners could NEVER hang in an ultra race regardless of flat land foot speed.

Walmsley is the perfect person to root against.

here we go again.. wrote:

Boston clearly demonstrated why elite road runners could NEVER hang in an ultra race regardless of flat land foot speed.

Bahahahaha. Sure buddy.

Agree, Camille runs like a man for 100 miles. She's the next coming of Ann, only faster and better at 100 miles.

here we go again.. wrote:

You do realize, even in a regular 50k there's likely more elevation climb and descend on varying terrain than any elite road runner will probably ever cover across their major races, for years, if not they're entire career combined. If all these road runners are tough enough and joke at the ultra scene, then quit with the excuses and sign up to prove your point. Boston clearly demonstrated why elite road runners could NEVER hang in an ultra race regardless of flat land foot speed.

Why would I waste my time competing against a small group of sub elites who weren't good enough to run competitively? I don't be an ultra jogger for the same reasons I don't want to be a race walker. It is like seeing who can whisper the loudest.

kjkl wrote:

Yeah, it takes more than one shot to be great. Ask Kipchoge, ask Bekele, ask Gebrselassie, ask El G.

Learn the sport, tool.

What is that supposed to mean? In the marathon all of them were great from the start (except El G, of course). The same on the track.

random on looker wrote:

here we go again.. wrote:

You do realize, even in a regular 50k there's likely more elevation climb and descend on varying terrain than any elite road runner will probably ever cover across their major races, for years, if not they're entire career combined. If all these road runners are tough enough and joke at the ultra scene, then quit with the excuses and sign up to prove your point. Boston clearly demonstrated why elite road runners could NEVER hang in an ultra race regardless of flat land foot speed.

Why would I waste my time competing against a small group of sub elites who weren't good enough to run competitively? I don't be an ultra jogger for the same reasons I don't want to be a race walker. It is like seeing who can whisper the loudest.

Right. I'm sure you're competing against the elites on the road and the track. Go get 'em, buddy!

pathfinder wrote:

random on looker wrote:

Why would I waste my time competing against a small group of sub elites who weren't good enough to run competitively? I don't be an ultra jogger for the same reasons I don't want to be a race walker. It is like seeing who can whisper the loudest.

Right. I'm sure you're competing against the elites on the road and the track. Go get 'em, buddy!

Does the trials marathon count? If so, thanks!

random on looker wrote:

here we go again.. wrote:

You do realize, even in a regular 50k there's likely more elevation climb and descend on varying terrain than any elite road runner will probably ever cover across their major races, for years, if not they're entire career combined. If all these road runners are tough enough and joke at the ultra scene, then quit with the excuses and sign up to prove your point. Boston clearly demonstrated why elite road runners could NEVER hang in an ultra race regardless of flat land foot speed.

Why would I waste my time competing against a small group of sub elites who weren't good enough to run competitively? I don't be an ultra jogger for the same reasons I don't want to be a race walker. It is like seeing who can whisper the loudest.

If only you had more time to waste you could shock the world.

Reminds me of, "I choose not to run."

Jared Hazen FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Camille runs balls to the wall, like Walmsley.

No f'in way she finishes top 5 overall, and doubt she'll even be top 5 women, if she finishes at all.

She's a hell of a runner on roads/easy trails, but her weakness is when she's faced with the slightest adversity, she'll gladly DNF.