TX High Schooler: 10.04 & 20.55 at state meet

That's impressive, but you know what's not? Texas Distance Running.

0 Runners under 9:00 (6 alone in the NYC State Meet in one division)

0 Runners under 9:05

1 Runner under 9:10

State is going downhill fast... too much over-training.

jkj wrote:

That's impressive, but you know what's not? Texas Distance Running.

0 Runners under 9:00 (6 alone in the NYC State Meet in one division)

0 Runners under 9:05

1 Runner under 9:10

State is going downhill fast... too much over-training.

Converse Judson runs 3rd fastest 4 x 200 of ALL TIME and gets third. About 8 schools in just 6A running under 41.0 in 4 x 100 with 2 under 40.0 - that is just one division.

91F and 84%RH explains the fast sprint times and slow distance times. The only thing that would have made the sprinters look even better and the distance runners worse is if you moved the meet directly upwards about 7000 feet.

All things being equal, that would be rather unimpressive. When you factor in the minimal impact the heat/humidity has on an event whose distance requires 20 seconds to run, of course you will see on-par results competitive with the rest of the country; just as you'd expect to see the longer distance events run much slower than other states with optimal weather this time of year.

Not to mention the fact that nearly every divisions boys 1600m shows to have been won off a final split of 59 or less, indicating to me they might very well have been "sit and kick" races.

Regardless, I'm 30 years old and removed from the high school distance running scene these days. But I know what it's like to run 9:15 on that track in those conditions because I did it years ago. And I can tell you right now, comparing state meet to state meet without taking into account the conditions would be like comparing someone's time from this years Boston Marathon to last years despite the conditions being drastically different...

10.04(w)

20.55(w)

It was a down year on the guys side.

Last year you had 3 guys run under 4:07 and 4 under 9 minutes.

Reed Brown and Sam Worley were the two best guys in the country.

It’s cyclical. Texas doesn’t have as many good coaches as the other states in high school due to the high school sport culture treating cross country/Track as a secondary sport for the sports.

Year in year out Texas usually has one or two guys who are top 10 in the 1600 and 3200

Andd wrote:

It was a down year on the guys side.

Last year you had 3 guys run under 4:07 and 4 under 9 minutes.

Reed Brown and Sam Worley were the two best guys in the country.

It’s cyclical. Texas doesn’t have as many good coaches as the other states in high school due to the high school sport culture treating cross country/Track as a secondary sport for the sports.

Year in year out Texas usually has one or two guys who are top 10 in the 1600 and 3200

Cross country/track are treated as secondary sports all over this country. It's tough running distance in the south and it's tough sprinting in the north.

jkj wrote:

That's impressive, but you know what's not? Texas Distance Running.

0 Runners under 9:00 (6 alone in the NYC State Meet in one division)

0 Runners under 9:05

1 Runner under 9:10

State is going downhill fast... too much over-training.

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I get your point, but your stats aren't entirely correct:

1 8:54.06

CARTER CHEESEMAN

Fort Worth Christian

Arcadia Invitational 7th

Apr 6, 2018 - Apr 7, 2018

2 9:08.84

GRAYDON MORRIS

Aledo

Texas Relays 1st

Mar 28, 2018 - Mar 31, 2018

3 9:09.26

RYAN SCHOPPE

La Porte

UIL Track and Field Championship 1st

May 11, 2018 - May 13, 2018

4 9:09.47

ERIC CASAREZ

Keller Central

Texas Relays 2nd

Mar 28, 2018 - Mar 31, 2018

5 9:09.64

JARRETT KIRK

Flower Mound

Region 1-6A Meet 1st

Apr 27, 2018 - Apr 28, 2018

I agree, although it was wind-aided, still impressive. His dad was also a 10.2(not sure if he legally ever went 10.1)but also 20.7 while in high school. That’s an amazing fast household.

As far as middle distance in Texas, I saw a 1A(thats probably a town of 500 people) guy run 1:51. Any big town or school with proper coaching(no good coach wants to coach at a school that small) it’s easily under 1:50. If I’m not mistaken I thought I also saw a 9th grade girl run 2:10 from a smaller school.

Trainfast wrote:

If I’m not mistaken I thought I also saw a 9th grade girl run 2:10 from a smaller school.

You are not mistaken. She goes to Marble Falls High School, home of none other than Leo Manzano.

OP was referencing at the state meet, not the full year, which now makes it look even more pathetic.

jkj wrote:

That's impressive, but you know what's not? Texas Distance Running.

0 Runners under 9:00 (6 alone in the NYC State Meet in one division)

0 Runners under 9:05

1 Runner under 9:10

State is going downhill fast... too much over-training.

Yeah...but it is because of under-training, not over-training. Football coaches are the track coaches in the south so many of the distance runners end up running only about 20 miles per week.

jkj wrote:

That's impressive, but you know what's not? Texas Distance Running.

0 Runners under 9:00 (6 alone in the NYC State Meet in one division)

0 Runners under 9:05

1 Runner under 9:10

State is going downhill fast... too much over-training.

At of the state's top distance runner's blew their wads at the North Texas 1600 and the Schrader 1600, both the week before state. They ran fast, cooler races under the lights... the way distance races should be run. UIL is so restrictive and to pour distances races onto the track when the Texas heat is scorching is just asinine.

Tell me, do they play Texas HS football games at the same time of day they host the Texas HS state track meet?

Only in Texas is a 4A school considered small?

Apophis99 wrote:

[quote]Just a TX distance runner... wrote:

Kalon Barnes of the small Southeast TX town of Silsbee

Only in Texas is a 4A school considered small?

Town does not equal school.

The Speakerboxxx Below wrote:

jkj wrote:

That's impressive, but you know what's not? Texas Distance Running.

0 Runners under 9:00 (6 alone in the NYC State Meet in one division)

0 Runners under 9:05

1 Runner under 9:10

State is going downhill fast... too much over-training.

At of the state's top distance runner's blew their wads at the North Texas 1600 and the Schrader 1600, both the week before state. They ran fast, cooler races under the lights... the way distance races should be run. UIL is so restrictive and to pour distances races onto the track when the Texas heat is scorching is just asinine.

Tell me, do they play Texas HS football games at the same time of day they host the Texas HS state track meet?

Say what you will about the scheduling, but the texas state track meet is one of the most fun sporting events to go to in the country. Love watching it along with 20,00 real (for the most part) track fans.

jkj wrote:

That's impressive, but you know what's not? Texas Distance Running.

0 Runners under 9:00 (6 alone in the NYC State Meet in one division)

0 Runners under 9:05

1 Runner under 9:10

State is going downhill fast... too much over-training.

NYC state meet?

nice one

you mean the NY state meet

fisiks wrote:

91F and 84%RH explains the fast sprint times and slow distance times. .

The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind....

Science is cool -- if you understand it. I doubt its ever been 91°/84% in Austin. That implies a dew point of 84°. Nope. That would be national news.

If you take a look at the actual weather data, the dew point was in the low to mid 60s on both days. The distance events were run in the early morning and late evening, with the exception of two conferences, running the 1600 at 2:45pm

hourly weather Austin TX

Could the explanation for the fast times be the elephant in the living room 3.2 m/s tailwind? Ya think?

What is dew point and how does it affect runners?