Gwen thinks she can improve a LOT in the half / full

If you could find out the age of commenters I expect that you would find that it is the younger posters that think they know everything about training. Us old farts have long since learned that there are a variety of paths to fitness, and many of us have actually have experienced wives and daughters training through and after pregnancy, so we have an appreciation for what she is saying. Most of us old geezers probably assume that an athlete who has achieved Jorgenson's elite level has a pretty good idea of what she needs to do to get to her ultimate fitness.

Yet in all that time watching distance running, you still thought Rupp was a 2:09 guy at best.

Sorry to hurt your feelings...fine you all are fart heads. Peace out all you old and young FARTHEADS

Dude. Get out of here with that. I like Rupp, and the purpose of that post was that it was time for Rupp to run a fast time, and he did just that. He ran 2:06.

You said that you thought he was a 2:09 guy at best. Those are your words. It's not like you said it to Rupp personally to try to fire him up, it was just an idiotic analysis by you on a messageboard (amongst many other examples from you).

Look guys... I know you love to hate on Gwen around here, but she just started running full-time and she finished 1 minute back from Sarah Hall in her half marathon debut. Keep in mind Gwen gave birth to a kid 8 months ago too.

If that isn't impressive... then I don't know what is. Sarah Hall is an elite marathoner and ran a 2:27 at CIM in December - to be within 1 minute of her is certainly impressive.

All I am saying is, I wouldn't bet against Gwen just yet. She certainly has a TON of upside and it would be silly to count someone out who delivered such a strong performance in her road debut

you're no expert wrote:

You said that you thought he was a 2:09 guy at best. Those are your words. It's not like you said it to Rupp personally to try to fire him up, it was just an idiotic analysis by you on a messageboard (amongst many other examples from you).

Technically he said he was a 2:09 guy as best.

Zoologist wrote:

you're no expert wrote:

You said that you thought he was a 2:09 guy at best. Those are your words. It's not like you said it to Rupp personally to try to fire him up, it was just an idiotic analysis by you on a messageboard (amongst many other examples from you).

Technically he said he was a 2:09 guy as best.

Haha, fair enough.

Dudecmon wrote:

Look guys... I know you love to hate on Gwen around here, but she just started running full-time and she finished 1 minute back from Sarah Hall in her half marathon debut. Keep in mind Gwen gave birth to a kid 8 months ago too.

If that isn't impressive... then I don't know what is. Sarah Hall is an elite marathoner and ran a 2:27 at CIM in December - to be within 1 minute of her is certainly impressive.

All I am saying is, I wouldn't bet against Gwen just yet. She certainly has a TON of upside and it would be silly to count someone out who delivered such a strong performance in her road debut

You're wasting your time with logic around here. Nobody is ever good enough for letsrun. Except white guys from the 50s and 60s that we are pretty sure were not doping. By the 70s, everybody was tainted.

Dudecmon wrote:

Look guys... I know you love to hate on Gwen around here, but she just started running full-time and she finished 1 minute back from Sarah Hall in her half marathon debut. Keep in mind Gwen gave birth to a kid 8 months ago too.

If that isn't impressive... then I don't know what is. Sarah Hall is an elite marathoner and ran a 2:27 at CIM in December - to be within 1 minute of her is certainly impressive.

All I am saying is, I wouldn't bet against Gwen just yet. She certainly has a TON of upside and it would be silly to count someone out who delivered such a strong performance in her road debut

If you are going compare to Sara, without an h, Hall you should also note that Sara took 4 weeks off due to an injury before Pittsburgh.

An impressive half marathon performance was Ben True at NYC. There's a 5k/10k guy taking it to the marathoners at the half marathon distance. He showed that you dont need mega mileage to run a good half, and that the half is more similar to the 10k than it is to the marathon distance. Mileage and lack of history isn't an excuse in the half.

i've got a friend who has run 1:10:50's for his best HM. His marathon time is 2:25, 10k is above 32 minutes. Gwen could get there and win in the right conditions. it'd be tough as hell, but is possible. All she needs to do is get to the Olympics and anything can happen.

She doesn't need to be a 2:19 marathoner to win a gold medal if the weather is bad and the pace is slow. Yuki Kawauchi won Boston with a relatively slow PB

also, maybe she is just smart and realizes that by publicly stating she wants to be an Oly champ in the marathon will get her more publicity = more sponsors = more cash flow. she has a lot of exposure already as a gold medalist, so why wouldn't people want to support her financially.

her arms are all over the place, but her stride is long and solid. watch the side view - she'll be fine of she can control her upper body

i think you guys are over-analyzing things. plus she beat schweizzer, who is one of the best NCAA runners ever

She was tempted by the IN-N-OUT demon from her past track 10k, that eating the plastic tranfats in the burger bread slowed down blood flow and lowering testosterone costing time if mere seconds. Yet she wants to blame breast feeding

Gwen's running career isn't some weird experiment like Bolt trying to play soccer. She's currently on a shortlist of contenders to make the marathon team. She crushed Hall 18 months ago at TC10, she finished a hair behind a WC medalist on the track, and she comfortably ran away from an NCAA legend. Any non triathlete who had done that would be considered a serious contender.

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

She was tempted by the IN-N-OUT demon from her past track 10k, that eating the plastic tranfats in the burger bread slowed down blood flow and lowering testosterone costing time if mere seconds. Yet she wants to blame breast feeding

Clearly you've never breastfed.

PBs versus winning races wrote:

i've got a friend who has run 1:10:50's for his best HM. His marathon time is 2:25, 10k is above 32 minutes. Gwen could get there and win in the right conditions. it'd be tough as hell, but is possible. All she needs to do is get to the Olympics and anything can happen.

She doesn't need to be a 2:19 marathoner to win a gold medal if the weather is bad and the pace is slow. Yuki Kawauchi won Boston with a relatively slow PB

also, maybe she is just smart and realizes that by publicly stating she wants to be an Oly champ in the marathon will get her more publicity = more sponsors = more cash flow. she has a lot of exposure already as a gold medalist, so why wouldn't people want to support her financially.

Great job a stringing together a bunch of anecdotes severely lacking context

Zoologist wrote:

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

She was tempted by the IN-N-OUT demon from her past track 10k, that eating the plastic tranfats in the burger bread slowed down blood flow and lowering testosterone costing time if mere seconds. Yet she wants to blame breast feeding

Clearly you've never breastfed.

I actually breastfeed with regularity. It's a great post run recovery stimulus.

you're no expert wrote:

You said that you thought he was a 2:09 guy at best. Those are your words. It's not like you said it to Rupp personally to try to fire him up, it was just an idiotic analysis by you on a messageboard (amongst many other examples from you).

Thank you for taking things out of context to push your narrative.

These were my words from that post:

.............." I like NOP ( even though they are dirty...not muddy dirty, but dirty), and I like Rupp ( for what he is).

But the Golden Boy image is officially dead. Now it is time to generate some 2:06 times out of that so called great potential that he has.

I'll even take 2:07 ( but that's sub elite to me). The bottom line is that he has to start producing, and deliver upon the expectations. If not, no more talk of him being the next hammer from America.

****I'll give him the remainder of this year, as well as all of next year to produce a meaningful time*****

For the record, I think he is a 2:09 at best. However, I'm not a-hole, and I'm willing to be open-minded. But the whole

purpose of NOP is to generate top distance runners who can compete at a high level with the rest of the world...perio d "..................

read the part where I stated that I'm willing to be open minded because NOP's job is to produce fast americn distance runners! ...and where I said now it is time for him to generate a 2:06.....and I said 2:06 before anyone, and he ran 2:06

...but for the record, all you said was 2:09 as best. You were hoping he could run faster. But that wasn't on record. Sorry.