Paul Chelimo OH So Close - loses in Shanghai by .02 after looking over shoulder 19 times during final lap

5 pages in and nobody has mentioned the top 4 were all looking over their shoulder repeatedly? He has almost the same exact tic that Cheserek has. Anyhow, this is not the action of someone mocking another runner. This is someone that is at their limit and scared. Watch any high schooler that is dying over the last 400 meters and you'll see them do the same thing.

I don't understand how you guys think this is disrespectful.

Furthermore, after watching this several more times, I only like Chelimo more. He looks scared as can be out there in front and I find that relatable. Plus I love his stride.

Fastimes wrote:

I don't understand how you guys think this is disrespectful.

If you were a regular on the LetsRun World Famous Message Board you'd understand.

Nothing has to make sense or be understandable here. wrote:

Fastimes wrote:

I don't understand how you guys think this is disrespectful.

If you were a regular on the LetsRun World Famous Message Board you'd understand.

Been posting here for over 15 years, but yeah good point.

Cheserek looking 6 million times even when he has a huge gap.

https://youtu.be/2EXMixBq_Rk

RootingForHimBut... wrote:

I was rooting for him, but thought he should have been DQd for the right arm shove in the last few meters. He does seem like a nervous racer with all the looks and quick moves in traffic. He is a very talented runner.

WCAP - You can dislike the program, but he is just a person making the most of an opportunity available to him. He has chosen to gain citizenship to the US via serving in the US Military. This is a bigger service to our country than most citizens ever give and it comes with some serious possible down sides. There were other paths for this and they were probably easier and involved less risk. He is honoring his commitment to the US.

- You are incorrect. The other paths are more difficult .... it took Lagat, Chelanga, & other naturalized citizens YEARS to join the team. For Chelimo, he just had to hold his breath for a few months & "bam!" you are on a new team and back running. As you'll see from the article --- basic training + follow-on Water Purifying Treatment training ain't that hard. I mean does this description FIT Chelimo on the track or not:

"The new program of instruction is the result of surveys taken from thousands of leaders who have observed a trend of new soldiers fresh our of training displaying a lack of obedience and poor work ethic as well as being careless with equipment, uniform and appearance, ..."

The only thing constant about the military is change. They change basic combat training all the time for various reasons, they have been crying about lack of discipline for at least a decade or two. Every unit at every echelon changes leadership every 18 to 24 months. So of course the new leadership wants to leave their mark.

Lots of foreigners use the military to gain citizenship. MANVI was nothing more than free chicken to cut down that process by a few months. These athletes have been living in the United States since they enrolled in college.

Alan

Post your name here and maybe you can sell more of those shirts you were talking about.

Right. He straight-out shoves Belew while forcing him to the outside. Belew is trying to hold his line--nothing says he has to move out for Chelimo. Chelimo then shoves him. It could easily have impeded Belew/messed up his momentum enough to make .02 difference (luckily it didn't). How is that okay?

At last, and I couldn't characterize my disgust for WCAP any better, there approach to American citizenship "... was nothing more than free chicken ..." Wow!

Ryanexpress wrote:

Likety Split,

Hey Bro, if you are going to sit in your Mom's basement and troll, at least get your facts straight. WCAP is NAF funded, and doesn't use taxpayer money. Plus, USATF pays all expenses for athletes making a Team USA. The Nike contract was signed by officials at the DOD, so by all means, give them a call.

None of your business, but my job at 10th Special Forces brought me back to Colorado Springs, then later WCAP. Further, if you need to get a hold of me, give me a call in Iraq, where I'm at for the 4th time, otherwise shut your trap regarding things you know nothing about, and quit hiding behind your keyboard.

We appreciate the support from all other positive posts. - Colonel Ryan

Hey Bro ... Colonel Sean Ryan US Army,

Lickety Investigation #1 of 15: NOP & BTC WC/OLY Trials Collusion

Given your admission that WCAP receives Nike sponsorship and that they have begun to open up a post-Army career by signing Shadrack

AND

That Coach Simmons considers his contract with OUR Army as a "umbrella" of both WCAP and HIS American Distance Project (ALSO Nike Financed) ... note his discussion about Sam Chelanga (ADP),

what level of coordination do you have with Nike's Coach Salazar, Coach Shumacher, & its VP of Global Athletics Marketing John Capriotti on national and international competitions?

It's pretty clear at last years National Championship that WCAP/ADP were conducting gerrymandering operations wrt race strategies.

Dude, you said that these guys were better in a grave that running for WCAP. You are a sick person.

Lickety Investigation Question #2 of 15

How was the contract negotiated with Coach Simmons? Sole Source or Competitive? If a competitive bid who else was in the running? Ex. Brad Hudson

Lickety Investigation Question #3 of 15:

Was the Nike funding to DoD simply a "pass through" to fund Coach Simmons contract with WCAP?

Lickety Investigation Question #4 of 15: PrizeMoney Management

Since WCAP travel is primarily US taxpayer funded, how does your program handle the prize-money earned by your athlete-soldiers?

Lickety Split wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

The only thing constant about the military is change. They change basic combat training all the time for various reasons, they have been crying about lack of discipline for at least a decade or two. Every unit at every echelon changes leadership every 18 to 24 months. So of course the new leadership wants to leave their mark.

Lots of foreigners use the military to gain citizenship. MANVI was nothing more than free chicken to cut down that process by a few months. These athletes have been living in the United States since they enrolled in college.

Alan

At last, and I couldn't characterize my disgust for WCAP any better, there approach to American citizenship "... was nothing more than free chicken ..." Wow!

Everyone likes free chicken.

MANVI obviously had issues that goes well beyond WCAP. I’m sure the suspension of MANVI has nothing to do with WCAP and everything to do with “is this working like we envisioned?”.

There’s nothing preventing the many foreign runners on college teams from joining the Army and WCAP and going through the normal military expedited citizenship process.

If you don’t like foreign born runners becoming US citizens then start at the source...the US college system.

Alan

Lickety Investigation Question #5 of 15: PED Testing

Given the simultaneous & meteoric rise of both WCAP performances & the East African PED epidemic, how often are WCAP athlete-soldiers tested? Does USADA have access to Fort Carson to conduct "Out-of-Competition" tests?

https://www.runnersworld.com/performance-enhancing-drugs/who-were-the-most-drug-tested-runners-of-2017

Runningart2004 wrote:

Lickety Split wrote:

At last, and I couldn't characterize my disgust for WCAP any better, there approach to American citizenship "... was nothing more than free chicken ..." Wow!

Everyone likes free chicken.

MANVI obviously had issues that goes well beyond WCAP. I’m sure the suspension of MANVI has nothing to do with WCAP and everything to do with “is this working like we envisioned?”.

There’s nothing preventing the many foreign runners on college teams from joining the Army and WCAP and going through the normal military expedited citizenship process.

If you don’t like foreign born runners becoming US citizens then start at the source...the US college system.

Alan

Wow #2! American citizenship associated with "free chicken"

Lickety Split wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Everyone likes free chicken.

MANVI obviously had issues that goes well beyond WCAP. I’m sure the suspension of MANVI has nothing to do with WCAP and everything to do with “is this working like we envisioned?”.

There’s nothing preventing the many foreign runners on college teams from joining the Army and WCAP and going through the normal military expedited citizenship process.

If you don’t like foreign born runners becoming US citizens then start at the source...the US college system.

Alan

Wow #2! American citizenship associated with "free chicken"

How does sales or recruitment work? I offer you something to get you to do something you might not otherwise do?

Why do the vast majority of soldiers join the military?

Free chicken.

Alan