RUPP IS THE GREATEST AMERICAN MARATHONER OF ALL TIME

Pretzel Man wrote:

Scubacane wrote:

^ this.

∆ this

The only reason Bill Rodgers and Frank Shorter won so many times is because the real competition didnt show up. There were plenty of East Africans who would have wupped them but didnt have the access to $$$ to fly around the world to random meets.

Scubacane wrote:

Frank Shorterer wrote:

Bill Rodgers

^ this.

Frank Shorter.

Game over.

So you think he is better than Ryan Hall because he was 10 seconds faster than Ryan Hall's 2:06:17 finish in London (perhaps the most competitive Marathon on the planet ) back in 2008? Hall was 5th in London. For me that was a much bigger achievement than Rupp's race this weekend. Let's see Rupp toe up to the line in London and slug it out with the very best. If he can place above 5th then he gets the title. Until then it is still Ryan Hall.

Oprah,,,

Link wrote:

First, my definition of American is someone who spent more than 9 years of their first 18 in the US. It's arbitrary, sure , but it takes into account, largely, what (non-racists) mean when they draw a distinction between performances by Americans and not. It means that during your formative years you were primarily influenced by the culture diet etc and both drew the benefits of that and the suffered the disadvantages. That said the top two American marathoners are easy:

1. Frank Shorter

2. Joan Benoit Samuelson

After that it gets tougher. Here's one possibility:

3. Clarence DeMar

4. Bill Rodgers

5. Alberto Salazar

6. Johnny Hayes

7. Alberto Salazar

8. Deena Kastor

9. Galen Rupp (with a bullet)

10. Buddy Edelen (maybe...)

Good to see the love for DeMar.

I understand not including KK in this list because he was already built as a runner when he became an American but your 9/18 cut-off is unfair to Meb. I don't see his case as different from Salazar's. Both of them emigrated here as kids before they started running. I won't quibble too much about the order, but I'd have Meb 3rd and Deena 4th.

Nazi wonder wrote:

dbsquirtNXC21 wrote:

Meb and Khannouchi are NOT really americans BY RACE. Its like saying Mo is English if you asked him what his ethnicity is.

Ryan Halls 2:04 isnt eligible....

therefore RUPP stands alone as the greatest american marathoner of all time.

GOBBLE GOBBLE

The only Americans by race are native Americans. Rupp is not a Native American. Your post is racist and it’s getting reported.

fucl< you dude im not a racist and this is my thread that you got deleted. And yes I meant American born which are the only real americans.

If you set up a chart and assign points 1) time, 2) Oly Medals, 3) OT Wins, 4) Majors, 5) other (ie. Rupps silver/bronze at London other event). I ranked fastest 8 men plus Denna and Joannie. It's completely subjective (highest weighting for time but medals and wins add to the totals) very interesting:

#1 - Rupp/Shorter tie - Rupp's time and Olympic wins vs Shorters medals/Fukuoka wins (had slowest male time)

#2 - Rogers/Salazar tie - Rogers majors versus Salazar's times & majors.

#3 - KK - time

#4 - Hall - time/OT win

#5 - Meb - time/Oly medal/major

#6 - Joanie/Kempanen tie - her wins vs. his time/OT win

#7 - Denna - medals & wins

Hejsbcervs wrote:

He’s not. Ryan Hall was the quickest. Therefore the greatest.

Yeah Hall, no olympic medals either, faster on a non-record elegible course with some pretty tailwind helping him. Rupp at this point is the best. Shorter second, Rodgers 3rd.

Rocket2 wrote:

So you think he is better than Ryan Hall because he was 10 seconds faster than Ryan Hall's 2:06:17 finish in London (perhaps the most competitive Marathon on the planet ) back in 2008? Hall was 5th in London. For me that was a much bigger achievement than Rupp's race this weekend. Let's see Rupp toe up to the line in London and slug it out with the very best. If he can place above 5th then he gets the title. Until then it is still Ryan Hall.

Rupp at London? Top 3 any time.

Hall? Major d.ck sniffer.

218er wrote:

If you set up a chart and assign points 1) time, 2) Oly Medals, 3) OT Wins, 4) Majors, 5) other (ie. Rupps silver/bronze at London other event). I ranked fastest 8 men plus Denna and Joannie. It's completely subjective (highest weighting for time but medals and wins add to the totals) very interesting:

#1 - Rupp/Shorter tie - Rupp's time and Olympic wins vs Shorters medals/Fukuoka wins (had slowest male time)

#2 - Rogers/Salazar tie - Rogers majors versus Salazar's times & majors.

#3 - KK - time

#4 - Hall - time/OT win

#5 - Meb - time/Oly medal/major

#6 - Joanie/Kempanen tie - her wins vs. his time/OT win

#7 - Denna - medals & wins

That’s fair, though i have Shorter second, but i can compromise with a tie as you said.

Tbass wrote:

But he's only done a few good thons.

Dean Karnezes has run tonnes of races beyons marathon distance triumphantly.

Dean Karnezes > Rupp

This.

Everyone can run a Marathon. Oprah has. GWB, too. It's not an acomplishment unless you do it 50 days in a row and finish your 50th in the big apple with a sub 3 Marathon.

In my book, considering he hit rock bottom before he became a professional runner, DEAN K is the greatest, period.

oboeviolin wrote:

Scubacane wrote:

^ this.

Frank Shorter.

Game over.

LOL.

You mean the guy who lost to the German runner Cierpinsky two times in a row in Olympia?

[quote]Eh...not quite yet wrote:

Bill Rodgers, 2:09:30 marathoner at a time when world record was between 2:09:30 and 2:09:00, 3x Boston Marathon winner, 3x NYC Marathon Winner.

Rodgers won

Boston Marathon: 4 wins

New York City Marathon: 4 wins

1. Right. He was born in Germany but he was still American by birth. Born on a U.S. military base to American citizen parents. American.

2. Right and 2:09:27 is roughly... 2:09:30.

3. Clayton's 2:08:33 was/is disputed b/c it was allegedly a short course he ran it on. Undisputed WR marathon times progressed btw 2:09:30 and 2:09:00 for most of the 1970s.

4. My bad. Toronto*.

Link wrote:

First, my definition of American is someone who spent more than 9 years of their first 18 in the US. It's arbitrary, sure , but it takes into account, largely, what (non-racists) mean when they draw a distinction between performances by Americans and not. It means that during your formative years you were primarily influenced by the culture diet etc and both drew the benefits of that and the suffered the disadvantages. That said the top two American marathoners are easy:

1. Frank Shorter

2. Joan Benoit Samuelson

After that it gets tougher. Here's one possibility:

3. Clarence DeMar

4. Bill Rodgers

5. Alberto Salazar

6. Johnny Hayes

7. Alberto Salazar

8. Deena Kastor

9. Galen Rupp (with a bullet)

10. Buddy Edelen (maybe...)

Yep. Shorter should have two golds.

But I'd rank Deena much higher. Her bronze in Athens was like a religious experience.

i always take the opportunity to say frank shorter was the best marathoner and distance runner from the us of all time, and by a wide margin.

he has two olympic golds, countless national titles, road running wins and xcountry wins.

cierpinski was dirtier than ramzi and pretty much everyone else.

World rankings

Marathon

1971 – first

1972 – first

1973 – first

1974 – second

1976 – second

10,000 m

1970 – second

1972 – fifth

1974 – fifth

1975 – second

5000 m

1975 – tenth

U.S. rankings

Marathon

1971 – first

1972 – first

1973 – first

1974 – first

1976 – first

10,000 m

1969 – third

1970 – first

1971 – first

1972 – first

1973 – fifth

1974 – first

1975 – first

1976 – second

1977 – first

1979 – third

5000 m

1969 – sixth

1970 – second

1971 – fourth

1972 – tenth

1973 – seventh

1974 – fourth

1975 – third

1976 – fifth

1977 – seventh

Shorter won the U.S. national cross-country championships four times (1970–1973). He was the U.S. Olympic Trials champion in both the 10,000-meter run and the marathon in both 1972 and 1976. He also won both the 10,000-meter run and the marathon at the 1971 Pan American Games. Shorter was a four-time winner of the Fukuoka Marathon (1971–1974), generally recognized as the most prestigious marathon in the world at that time and held on a very fast course. His career best of 2:10:30 was set at that race on December 3, 1972. He won the prestigious 7-mile Falmouth Road Race on Cape Cod in 1975 and 1976 and Atlanta's 10-kilometer Peachtree Road Race in 1977.

London is not record eligible?

Hall 2:06:16. 10 seconds slower than Rupp on a different course with tougher competition. Hall was the greatest.

+1 hard to argue with this. Based on achievements, Rupp would be just entering the stadium as Shorter embarks on his victory lap.