Why is no one talking about Kentucky Derby?

Bad Wigins wrote:

How do they know thoroughbreds are the best over those distances? Odds of that are pretty small if you think about it, since they're are descended and very heavily inbred from three horses.

If someone tried to breed a racehorse from entirely non-thoroughbred stock, eventually they would succeed, easily. No way is that the best possible 1 3/8 mile horse. Build one taller, thinner, more like a cheetah, it will go faster. Horse racing is stuck in a silly time warp based on outmoded racist theories.

Interesting point. Of course, only registered TBs are eligible to race under Rules, so we will never find out, and the female line is descended from much larger lines of English hunter mares and Arabian mares, but its true that the TB is quite a small breed (with some exceptions). You do wonder what introducing some more powerful breeding into it again might create.

Native Son wrote:

Why is no one talking about Kentucky Derby?

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pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Because doped horses whose only purpose is to run fast for a couple of years and then killed isn't very appealing.

John Henry was Horse of the year at 9 and lived into his 30s. He wasn't even used for breeding either.

Bad Wigins wrote:

How do they know thoroughbreds are the best over those distances? Odds of that are pretty small if you think about it, since they're are descended and very heavily inbred from three horses.

If someone tried to breed a racehorse from entirely non-thoroughbred stock, eventually they would succeed, easily. No way is that the best possible 1 3/8 mile horse. Build one taller, thinner, more like a cheetah, it will go faster. Horse racing is stuck in a silly time warp based on outmoded racist theories.

They know because people have tried. There are other slimmer more cheetah like breeds and they aren't as fast.

Thoroughbreds have a muscular mutation that sets them apart.

Starting to breed all over again would just be a repeat of doing the same thing .

Even within the throughbred breed there are cheetah like individuals but the greatest racehorses tend to be the Secretariat type.

The letsrun crowd is more about the Preakness than the Derby. Now that he lives in Baltimore, rojo has a luxury box at Pimlico race track and he invites the letsrun masses to join him there on Preakness day. Endless trays of crabcakes and plentiful Heavy Seas beer for all of his friends. rojo does it right, and his generosity is made possible by all of the annoying ads on the website (and the trust fund, of course)

Rojo doesn't do sh!t for anyone but wejo and Paula. He's no better than Zuck as he is using this site to surreptitiously gather intel for the DEA to continue the failed War on Drugs.

Ryan Foreman wrote:

His mother was a mudder.

His mother was a mudder?

"Genetic mutations?" What, like all species on the planet? Of course they have genetic mutations (or adaptations) but that doesn't mean to say you can't improve the breed.

Don't mean starting all over again, but reintroducing some slightly more powerful, robust stock as most breed societies allow to improve the breed and correct its deficiencies. Which in the TB racehorse include breaking blood vessels at exertion and bleeding, breaking down, increasing lack of substance and shortening of race distance, plus inbreeding to the Northern Dancer and increasingly Storm Cat lines to produce fast maturing two year olds or even horses that mature quickly enough to be sold for millions at the sales as yearlings.

Unlikely to happen in this lifetime but in 100 years, I can't imagine the TB racehorse being in a good state as a breed and people then perhaps thinking about outcrossing.

By the way, the Secretariat male line is effectively is already lost. Wouldn't be commercial enough now to breed a horse with that amount of stamina.

Native Son wrote:

Why is no one talking about Kentucky Derby?

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If we wanted to talk about drugged up animals with zero bodyfat running fast, we would talk about Kenyans.

Not like the ones they have that are proven as beneficial. There is no more powerful or robust stock that can be added without slowing them down.

Deficiencies are in everything as well. You can't make the whole gene pool perfect and identical.

Your comments about Northern Dancer, Storm Cat and Secretariat are bunk.

The male line of Secretariat is irrelevant as long as his genes are being passed down somehow.

Justify traces back to all of those horses and since he didn't even race at 2 nor sell for millions you have no argument.

Eclipse wrote:

By the way, the Secretariat male line is effectively is already lost. Wouldn't be commercial enough now to breed a horse with that amount of stamina.

The best part of this drivel is that Secretariat derived his stamina from his broodmare sire, Princequillo.

Secretariat is the broodmare sire of Storm Cat.

Horse racing has been losing popularity ever since we invented tractors.

moist wrote:

Ryan Foreman wrote:

His mother was a mudder.

His mother was a mudder?

What did I just say

Why is no one talking about THE Kentucky Derby?

1. When Justify pole vaults like Mondo, maybe I'll take an interest.

2. When Jama Aden resigns as Justify's trainer, maybe I'll take an interest.

3. When the IAAF awards the World XC Championships to Churchill Downs, maybe I'll take an interest.

Go to any horsey internet racing message board and ask the question, "Why is no one talking about Jakob Ingebrigtsen?"

King of The Wind wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

How do they know thoroughbreds are the best over those distances? Odds of that are pretty small if you think about it, since they're are descended and very heavily inbred from three horses.

If someone tried to breed a racehorse from entirely non-thoroughbred stock, eventually they would succeed, easily. No way is that the best possible 1 3/8 mile horse. Build one taller, thinner, more like a cheetah, it will go faster. Horse racing is stuck in a silly time warp based on outmoded racist theories.

They know because people have tried. There are other slimmer more cheetah like breeds and they aren't as fast.

The cheetah thing was just a MacGuffin for "maybe there's an adaptation out there that runs 1 3/8 miles faster." And it's lurking in some breed of horses running wild in the hills of central Asia or somewhere, and nobody knows about it because they are currently too small, but if they were bred selectively for size maybe they would be invincible. Has anyone tried that? I don't mean crossing them with bigger horses, but working exclusively from a wild and diverse gene pool and gradually adapting it to 2 minute racing.

I doubt anyone has tried that because it would be hell of expensive and have a low cost-benefit. Maybe it would work.

Bad Wigins wrote:

King of The Wind wrote:

They know because people have tried. There are other slimmer more cheetah like breeds and they aren't as fast.

The cheetah thing was just a MacGuffin for "maybe there's an adaptation out there that runs 1 3/8 miles faster." And it's lurking in some breed of horses running wild in the hills of central Asia or somewhere, and nobody knows about it because they are currently too small, but if they were bred selectively for size maybe they would be invincible. Has anyone tried that? I don't mean crossing them with bigger horses, but working exclusively from a wild and diverse gene pool and gradually adapting it to 2 minute racing.

I doubt anyone has tried that because it would be hell of expensive and have a low cost-benefit. Maybe it would work.

Wild horses don't exist anymore and the original domestication of the horse involved doing as you described anyway. The wild and diverse gene pool has to be inbred to fix the traits. That's what was done in the first place.

funnycide wrote:

serious horse answers here wrote:

Forget the trolls. Here's why:

1. The favorite won

2. A non-underdog owner/trainer won

3. The triple crown drought is over. No excitement since American Pharaoh broke the streak in 2015.

Actually, move #3 to the top.

Oh , so now you can win the Triple crown by just winning the Kentucky Derby ?

Thanks, Mr. Ed

He was referring to a general decline in interest in the KD due to the triple crown drought being over. Your head injury unfortunately prevented you from understanding that and substituted a nonsensical interpretation causing you (and only you) to think he was saying Justify would win the triple crown. He very clearly did not say that. Sorry you are so dumb. Was it a car accident? Head injuries are the worst.

Native Son wrote:

Why is no one talking about Kentucky Derby?

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Because it's stupid and no one cares?

Stopcecil! wrote:

Native Son wrote:

Why is no one talking about Kentucky Derby?

https://sports.yahoo.com/justify-wins-wettest-kentucky-derby-ever-225442971.html?soc_trk=gcm&soc_src=5c839b50-00d3-37e8-a68f-7c03c48d7104&.tsrc=notification-brknews

Because it's stupid and no one cares?

Obvious narcissist here who thinks because he doesn't care, nobody else does.