Kiprop makes statement on 'doping' claim and it's wild

People seem to be debating whether Kiprop was doping or the officials were shaking him down but it seems to me that it likely was both. Why would Kiprop wire money after being asked to provide a sample? Maybe because it worked in the past--for him and others.

I am loving this thread,for starters its laying bare the ignorance that comes with cultural differences.

Recap:

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says he did it

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he says he did not

Do I think a very high percentage of athletes break the drug rules or the spirit of the drug rules?

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alfisi wrote:

I am loving this thread,for starters its laying bare the ignorance that comes with cultural differences.

I get that giving back money when you've made it is commonplace in Kenya but by his own admission the timing here was sketchy enough that Kiprop wrote that he sent it electronically so that there would be a record.

not real life wrote:

Ok. So he leaves the room to get the DCOs some pay off money. While he is doing that they spike his sample on his dining room table with EPO.

Yep. That totally happened.

If the payoff happened, it was probably to make sure it came back clean, and something went wrong.

Jerry Dial wrote:

Has anyone provided a valid explanation as to why Kiprop would be taking EPO 7 months before competition.

And why is the result being leaked instead of being officially announced?

And why are they leaking the info 7 months after the test was taken. Does it usually take this long?

Kiprop is taking EPO 7 months before competition so he can train longer and harder. What people can't grasp is that some benefit from that is retained when one gets off the drug. It's like athletes using an anabolic agent. IF they keep working out after going off the drugs, they can maintain 70 - 75% of the the muscle mass and as much or more of the strength, it's all been documented and mentioned on this board more than once over the years.

Kiprop is a cheat. Get over it. Then learn to understand it. Then accept the fact that the brainwashing that has gone on for years has made fools of many. The Africans have a high percentage of talented people, but drugs have exaggerated their prowess. They might have a higher percentage of talented people but they aren't so talented as to be absolutely untouchable by other peoples. So many of the sheeple can't grasp what that means.

Culture gap??crap The way I see it (regardless of cultural norms) :

The collection team called him the night before to warn him and when they got there in the AM they expected to be paid for the warning.

dbgdfgvdfvgsgdvcfs wrote:

not real life wrote:

Ok. So he leaves the room to get the DCOs some pay off money. While he is doing that they spike his sample on his dining room table with EPO.

Yep. That totally happened.

If the payoff happened, it was probably to make sure it came back clean, and something went wrong.

Exactly. E. Africa is a den of thieves but no one wants to admit it. This includes athletes who will understandably do anything to escape poverty. The flip side is those athletes laugh at the wide eyed gullibility of Westerners who take so much at face value. That's a fact, they're literally astounded by how gullible Westerners are when it comes to accepting claims of no drug use, all E. Africans being people who would never consider cheating, etc.

I'm curious. Does anyone have an idea of how much money Kiprop has made over the past few years?

fisky wrote:

I'm curious. Does anyone have an idea of how much money Kiprop has made over the past few years?

Ask Dr. Evil...….

Kiprop Likes The Needle wrote:

It's like athletes using an anabolic agent.

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No, it's actually much better than an anabolic. Anabolic users typically need a "post cycle" to keep the gains. It gets complicated, fast. There isn't much talk about peptides, yet, but that's what has replaced old anabolics. You get most of the benefits of an anabolic without having to deal with a "post cycle." Of course, you might also give yourself cancer as some have been found to be powerful carcinogens.

The beauty of EPO is, you use it, it's quite effective beyond any urinalysis detection window. When you stop, your body mostly returns to normal.

wineturtle wrote:

Culture gap??crap The way I see it (regardless of cultural norms) :

The collection team called him the night before to warn him and when they got there in the AM they expected to be paid for the warning.

It doesn't work like that. The most common "surprise" test is exactly as Kiprop described it. They call the night before. Otherwise a ton of money would be spent on having collectors just finding athletes.

I'm not saying Kiprop's statement is 100% truthful, or even 10% truthful. Just that a call the night before is normal.

If an athlete is doping to a level or manner that can be detected with urinalysis, it's too late by the time an athlete would get the call. We've learned that doesn't mean they'd be sanctioned.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Yep and his b sample appears to have failed and officials claim that the samples weren't tampered with. In short Kiprop’s tweet was utter bull from start to finish, yet some people on here believed it. His excuse now belongs in the realms of epo puddles, the lady deserved a treat, tainted steaks, disappearing twins, and passionate kissing.

Can someone tell me when they dropped giving the athlete the option to be present for the b-sample test?

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

wineturtle wrote:

Culture gap??crap The way I see it (regardless of cultural norms) :

The collection team called him the night before to warn him and when they got there in the AM they expected to be paid for the warning.

It doesn't work like that. The most common "surprise" test is exactly as Kiprop described it. They call the night before. Otherwise a ton of money would be spent on having collectors just finding athletes.

I'm not saying Kiprop's statement is 100% truthful, or even 10% truthful. Just that a call the night before is normal.

If an athlete is doping to a level or manner that can be detected with urinalysis, it's too late by the time an athlete would get the call. We've learned that doesn't mean they'd be sanctioned.

Yeah but like Kiprop wrote he could have skipped town since he had zero no shows at that time. Now of course it's possible he thought it wouldn't be a problem since the cash would take care of possible problems.

Still surprised no one has called the AIU on their convenient omission of the "DCA asked for cash" in their rebuttal. They're obviously very uneasy about that aspect and know it's probably going to kill the whole process, not to mention get someone in jail !

gathernomoss wrote:

Yeah but like Kiprop wrote he could have skipped town since he had zero no shows at that time.

If you miss a test without a compelling reason, you also get banned. That's why Farah, and his fans here, argued so hard that he really really couldn't have heard the doorbell, including making a cool movie for demonstration.

Would be hard to be coincidentally out of town, after the call about 12 hours before that, and then sell it as a compelling reason.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

wineturtle wrote:

Culture gap??crap The way I see it (regardless of cultural norms) :

The collection team called him the night before to warn him and when they got there in the AM they expected to be paid for the warning.

It doesn't work like that. The most common "surprise" test is exactly as Kiprop described it. They call the night before. Otherwise a ton of money would be spent on having collectors just finding athletes.

I'm not saying Kiprop's statement is 100% truthful, or even 10% truthful. Just that a call the night before is normal.

If an athlete is doping to a level or manner that can be detected with urinalysis, it's too late by the time an athlete would get the call. We've learned that doesn't mean they'd be sanctioned.

Is advance warning the norm in all nations?

wineturtle wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

It doesn't work like that. The most common "surprise" test is exactly as Kiprop described it. They call the night before. Otherwise a ton of money would be spent on having collectors just finding athletes.

I'm not saying Kiprop's statement is 100% truthful, or even 10% truthful. Just that a call the night before is normal.

If an athlete is doping to a level or manner that can be detected with urinalysis, it's too late by the time an athlete would get the call. We've learned that doesn't mean they'd be sanctioned.

Is advance warning the norm in all nations?

Noooooo

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Also, if the IAAF follows through with European Athletics's plans to scrap pre 2005 world records, He would get the 1500m WR, the irony, they would take it off El Guerrouj and give it to Kiprop in an act of cleaning up the sport, ha, classic. Only in Athletics.

This needs correcting, when EA proposed scrapping ARs last year for every record where the sample isn't in storage (2005 at the earliest), they also proposed if an athlete later on failed a test, any world or area record they held would be scrapped. Theoretically Kiprop just lost a WR, if they were ever scrapped. The good news is Silas 'likely doping' Kiplagat could be awarded the world 1500m record (3:27). That is reassuring. Somewhere Venti is celebrating in the street.

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