Nick Willis dancing around the breakfast table fist pumping celebrating his 2008 Olympic Gold medal

one theory so far wrote:

i know what you're implying but you don't know wrote:

technically, you don't know that's true.

you're just speculating....

It's a fact that he never failed any drug tests. It's a fact that Kiprop and Ramzi have (despite weaker testing).

It's a fact that Lance never failed a drug test.. It's a fact he was tested way more than Willis. Its a fact that in spite of zero positives ever being recorded from he or any other member of US-run US Postal, they had the most sophisticated doping program in cycling.

Let's face it, any US based pro distance runner KNOWS that the most advanced drug tests are a joke if they apply the technology available to them. Yet every time, the vast majority of Letsrun comes to the conclusion that they all refuse to use it. That they choose to do it clean. The white English speaker who runs 3:29 and lives in the midwest? Clean. The half dozen of so US based white dudes who broke 13:00? All clean. The dude who has knocked on the doorstep of 8:00? Clean. 26:44. Clean. 3:46? Clean The dude from Oregon who managed to finish ahead of all the best doped dark-skinned people? Clean

It really is a suspension of disbelief, like believing in Santa Claus. Except Santa Claus is a freakishly talented skinny white English speaking dude or chic who wins global medals and is the clean record holder.

Why do people think Centro is dirty? He’s got monster genes and has only run 3:30. Are you saying 3:30 isn’t achievable without drugs?

Kiprop's performances have NOT been annulled until they are he is the 2008 Gold Medalist

maybe on paper, but everyone will know willis is the true champ

tetknowlogy wrote:

It's a fact that Lance never failed a drug test.

That “fact” is incorrect.

I call BS wrote:

Can people stop saying that Willis shouldn't be given the gold because he also doped? Kiprop has tested positive, Willis has not. It's really simple.

These freaks are hardcore psychopathic racists. The belief that East African dominance has been the result of some inherent genetic superiority is fundamental to their world view and perverted sense of self. Some of them are in a psychotic state at the moment after Kiprop's bust. They will literally track you down and threaten to kill you if you suggest that Africans caught cheating should have their medals taken away and awarded to the clean athletes who were cheated out of them.

fact czech wrote:

tetknowlogy wrote:

It's a fact that Lance never failed a drug test.

That “fact” is incorrect.

Correct Lance tested positive for EPO during the 1999 tour and it was covered up. Numerous people also came forward during his dominant period and told reporters how he was doing blood transfusions, something that they could test for then. When he made his comeback his passport showed irregularities that experts believed was doping nonetheless Oprah got him.

So Africans are repeatedly getting busted, white athletes not, as stricter testing comes in, white performances improve, black performances decline, and rather than indicating an African doping problem, we're actually in denial, equivalent to the belief in Santa Clause.

You are literally insane.

While stricter testing may help with credibility, you understand that testing is not 100% foolproof (the number of athletes caught in retest is direct evidence of that).

In fact the "stricter teststing" mantra, the "I've been tested a zillion times" excuse has been used by known dopers to prove their innocence.

MurderDub wrote:

American Runners Busted

Mary Decker-Slaney: Busted

Regina Jacobs: Busted

Eddy Hellebuyck: Busted

Christian Hesch: Busted

Evan Jaeger: Suspicious passport

Rupp: Suspicious passport

Al Sal: C'mon...

On Bikes...

Tyler Hamilton: Busted

Lance Armstrong: Busted

Floyd Landis: Busted

Lance and Floyd's Whole Team: Busted

All cyclists eventually: Busted

Then there's the Euros. Point is, sure, testing's better in America and Europe and because of that there are fewer cheats, but don't fool yourself into believing all the Africans cheat and none of the Americans/Euros do.

Plus you are forgetting the sprint stars - are you kidding? Gatlin, Jones, Montgomery, etc.

I made a post along your lines in the other thread yesterday saying, "Those of you that say, 'if only we get rid of doping in africa, then the Americans will be really rocking the distances like Frank Shorter in the 70s' are simply wrong."

You do know don't you that Kiprop won't lose this medal because it wasn't his sample from Beijing 2008 that tested postive?

strykerd wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Goes along nicely with his clean world record holder status.

Haha, that's a good one. There's only like 30 guys ahead of him.

Exactly, Vénuste Niyongabo is now the clean-GOAT.

Asbel Kiprop's championship medals:

Gold medal – first place 2008 Beijing 1500 m

World Championships

Gold medal – first place 2011 Daegu 1500 m

Gold medal – first place 2013 Moscow 1500 m

Gold medal – first place 2015 Beijing 1500 m

African Championships

Gold medal – first place 2010 Nairobi 1500 m

Silver medal – second place 2014 Marrakech 1500 m

Bronze medal – third place 2008 Addis Ababa 800 m

All-Africa Games

Gold medal – first place 2007 Algiers 1500 m

Centrowitz or as the NZers call him, Centrovitz will be upgraded to 2013 World Outdoor Gold to go along with his 2016 World Indoor Gold and 2016 Olympic Gold

With all three championship golds, if Centro breaks 3:29 in 1500m and 3:48 in mile, he's hands down best American miler/1500 runner.

Rash-putin wrote:

Catching someone for doping in 2018 obviously isn't proof of doping in 2008, but whatever. Let's all just abandon our principles.

or...... Never catching someone doping and taking away 7 yellow jerseys.

Hayduke wrote:

Rash-putin wrote:

Catching someone for doping in 2018 obviously isn't proof of doping in 2008, but whatever. Let's all just abandon our principles.

or...... Never catching someone doping and taking away 7 yellow jerseys.

Lance tested positive before winning any of those jerseys.

japter wrote:

Hayduke wrote:

or...... Never catching someone doping and taking away 7 yellow jerseys.

Lance tested positive before winning any of those jerseys.

True and what is more he said that he was doping.

Willis’ agent is also the agent of Tyson Gay, the biggest bust before Kiprop.

Hardloper wrote:

Detetango wrote:

Wait. Why do we think Willis didn't dope? Oh, right, he looks like me.

desperate race baiting... there's zero evidence Nick Willis ever doped and there never will be, deal with it

Coevett wrote:

Don't forget that Centro is now the 2013 World Champion.

Is he now definitively the American GOAT?

No, he isn’t.

Do you have any idea how this actually works?