Nick Willis dancing around the breakfast table fist pumping celebrating his 2008 Olympic Gold medal

You beat me to it. :)

Goes along nicely with his clean world record holder status.

At this rate Alan Webb could finally get that medal!

Catching someone for doping in 2018 obviously isn't proof of doping in 2008, but whatever. Let's all just abandon our principles.

Wait. Why do we think Willis didn't dope? Oh, right, he looks like me.

These Kenyans are being caught and exposed by the Kenyan anti-doping authorities. They will be cleaner than most soon.

Detetango wrote:

Wait. Why do we think Willis didn't dope?

Well, he hasn't failed any drug tests despite significantly more testing than Kiprop and Ramzi ever had, so there's that.

Coevett wrote:

Goes along nicely with his clean world record holder status.

Haha, that's a good one. There's only like 30 guys ahead of him.

The recent history of the men's Olympic 1500 is catching up to the women's in terms of doping presence. It is sad that the best clean athlete has never been allowed across the finish line first despite his consistently great performances. At least Jenny Simpson has had that satisfying moment.

Rash-putin wrote:

Catching someone for doping in 2018 obviously isn't proof of doping in 2008, but whatever. Let's all just abandon our principles.

What principles? You mean the same ones that Kiprop abandoned when he decided to cheat? If he's not going to respect the sport's principles, then he should respect when the sport decides to forget about him.

one theory so far wrote:

Detetango wrote:

Wait. Why do we think Willis didn't dope?

Well, he hasn't failed any drug tests despite significantly more testing than Kiprop and Ramzi ever had, so there's that.

There's also Lance Armstrong

Felix the housecat wrote:

one theory so far wrote:

Well, he hasn't failed any drug tests despite significantly more testing than Kiprop and Ramzi ever had, so there's that.

There's also Lance Armstrong

True, he also failed multiple drug tests, as well as being credibly accused of doping by teammates, unlike Nick Willis.

g top wrote:

The recent history of the men's Olympic 1500 is catching up to the women's in terms of doping presence. It is sad that the best clean athlete has never been allowed across the finish line first despite his consistently great performances. At least Jenny Simpson has had that satisfying moment.

Centro is clean.

one theory so far wrote:

Felix the housecat wrote:

There's also Lance Armstrong

True, he also failed multiple drug tests, as well as being credibly accused of doping by teammates, unlike Nick Willis.

Comparing Track to cycling is wrong.

Cycling has always been a drug fueled sport. From the days of the first TDF which was an endurance event designed to crush competitors. Doping was accepted.

Track and field came upon doping much later. Doping has always been frowned upon.

Don't forget that Centro is now the 2013 World Champion.

Is he now definitively the American GOAT?

sillyman wrote:

True, he also failed multiple drug tests, as well as being credibly accused of doping by teammates, unlike Nick Willis.

Comparing Track to cycling is wrong.

Cycling has always been a drug fueled sport. From the days of the first TDF which was an endurance event designed to crush competitors. Doping was accepted.

Track and field came upon doping much later. Doping has always been frowned upon.[/quote]

This is quite an hypocritical way to look at things. Doping was not accepted in Cycling, had it been the case, people like Christophe Bassons wouldn't have been bullied out of the sport.

As for track, don't make me laugh, pretty much everybody was using anabolic steroid in 1970-1980s and / or blood doping , including the holier than thou...

Coevett wrote:

Don't forget that Centro is now the 2013 World Champion.

Is he now definitively the American GOAT?

You look at the 2005-2018 1500m ranking list and it reads like a hall of shame now.

Silas Kipglat also coached by Rosa.

If Mo is clean, then he's almost certainly the 1500m clean world record holder. That pretty much sums up the liklihood of Mo being clean.

Cjgb wrote:

g top wrote:

The recent history of the men's Olympic 1500 is catching up to the women's in terms of doping presence. It is sad that the best clean athlete has never been allowed across the finish line first despite his consistently great performances. At least Jenny Simpson has had that satisfying moment.

Centro is clean.

LOL

Coevett wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Don't forget that Centro is now the 2013 World Champion.

Is he now definitively the American GOAT?

You look at the 2005-2018 1500m ranking list and it reads like a hall of shame now.

Silas Kipglat also coached by Rosa.

If Mo is clean, then he's almost certainly the 1500m clean world record holder. That pretty much sums up the liklihood of Mo being clean.

https://www.iaaf.org/records/all-time-toplists/middlelong/1500-metres/outdoor/men/senior?regionType=world&page=1&bestResultsOnly=false&firstDay=2005-01-01&lastDay=2018-05-02

It's a hall of shame because two guys in the top 100 have been busted for doping?

None of these athletes want to win this way, not very satisfying. This is sad though as now it seems like a large percentage of the africans may be dirty as suspected by some for a long time.

There are just too many 2:04-2:05 marathons by runners who seemingly came out of nowhere.