Olympic and world champion Asbel Kiprop has tested positive

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It infuriates me that Paula gets away with this without the general population knowing that she is in more that likely a massive cheating fraud. I really want someone to dig deep, get the evidence and bust her. Ruin her life if that is what is required to get the truth out.

a) Who knows, maybe not even once. b) He has run slow for almost three years. c) EPO "working" is a separate discussion. d) Guilt by association?

casual obsever wrote:

These two will come in a few days, after most here have moved on, and claim that

a) Kiprop doped only once

b) he was slower when doped than before

c) EPO does therefore not work on certain...

d) the Rosas have noting to do with that, nothing to see here.

Has he been caught red-handed yet? We have many newspaper stories with no official confirmation, and loads of arm-chair speculation. I think we need a few more details to come out.

trollism wrote:

To a non crazy person, his excuse sounds like the ramblings of a child who has done something naughty and is trying to get out of it despite being caught red handed.

rekrunner wrote:

Has he been caught red-handed yet? We have many newspaper stories with no official confirmation, and loads of arm-chair speculation. I think we need a few more details to come out.

trollism wrote:

To a non crazy person, his excuse sounds like the ramblings of a child who has done something naughty and is trying to get out of it despite being caught red handed.

You are beginning to sound like a Syrian government spokesman.

Excellent surmise.

rekrunner wrote:

Has he been caught red-handed yet? We have many newspaper stories with no official confirmation, and loads of arm-chair speculation. I think we need a few more details to come out.

trollism wrote:

To a non crazy person, his excuse sounds like the ramblings of a child who has done something naughty and is trying to get out of it despite being caught red handed.

Why would he need this ridiculous convoluted excuse if he hadn’t been caught? Take a breath, tell that hamster running in that wheel in your head to settle down for a second and think about it.

rekrunner wrote:

That would be a real tragedy, if the irregularly prematurely leaked result was really the result of local Kenyan corruption and extortion and a tampered sample. If so, there is no way to undo the permanent damage to his reputation.

gathernomoss wrote:

The plot thickens :

http://www.runblogrun.com/2018/05/olympic-1500m-champion-asbel-kiprops-statement-regarding-alleged-positive-doping-test.html

I might be naive but it appears there are reasons to doubt the process surrounding this positive test...

Oh please! Have you read his full statement (link on home page)?

For a start, why would a policeman (with a history of some strange and violent behaviour), who would have been privy to loads of corruption over the years in Kenya, agree to make a payment (for the first time!?) to known doping control officers, if he didn't feel he had something to hide? It stretches credulity beyond belief.

It is also unconvincing to try and detract attention away from his own guilt by claiming that it was against protocol to be given a warning the day before. If this was not a usual occurrence (and I would suggest that it has obviously happened before to Kiprop), and it did not sit well with him, as a morally upstanding, anti doping, God fearing innocent, then why the hell did he not alert the IAAF immediately and refuse to have them go to his house the next day? Seems strange that he only has a problem with this situation and wants to bring it to everyone's attention, AFTER he has been caught doping.

No one at Kiprop's level would go into their bedroom, leaving a urine sample open in the other room (with said doping control officers), to look for cash to make a payment! LOL. And then wire it using a mobile phone app!?

All this under the guise of a naive, God fearing innocent who has been let down by people he trusted.

I think it's the worst, most unconvincing attempt to plead innocence from any one caught doping.

Rojo Bojo wrote:

You are beginning to sound like a Syrian government spokesman.

You're not getting away with that. Every one of the fake incidents staged by your Islamist terrorists has been thoroughly debunked.

You just showed the thread you believe whatever you see on TV without proof. Please take your terrorism elsewhere.

A dark day, says the homepage? This is the best news for ages. Down with all drug cheats, the bigger the better.

Congratulations to Olympic Champion Nick Willis (denied his deserved glory by not one but two drug cheats), Olympic and World Champion Matt Centrowitz, and Kenya's own World Champions Silas Kiplagat and Elijan Manangoi. (Even though likely not one of them will be recognized. But those who weren't born yesterday know that a just-caught doper didn't start doping yesterday.)

Deanouk wrote:

It is also unconvincing to try and detract attention away from his own guilt by claiming that it was against protocol to be given a warning the day before. .

Which, is materially not true. The person collecting the sample calls ahead. It just isn't necessary to literally surprise an athlete.

My favorite part of the statement is specifically mentioning leaving the top off the sample.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

yyy wrote:

How does one even know that the concept "good responder" makes sense???? Are there studies showing significant

differences in athletes who are taking EPO???

Anecdotes from cycling.

In the go-go era of Armstrong, Riis, Pantani etc., LOTS more athletes were using EPO, but not getting quite the bang out of it like an Armstrong or Riis, or Pantani.

Hey...imagine this: Kenyan athletes benefiting from rocket fuel. Who would have thought. Lol.

And hasn't there been a dark cloud over Kenyan athletics for sometime now?

Agree 100%. Screw this 'dark day' bullshit. Doping is rampant at this level of competition and people know it whether they want to admit it or not. Stop pretending it doesn't exist, start trying to find better testing methods. Dish out lifetime bans and make all prizes/compensation be paid back for a start.

The incentives to dope are high, the chances of getting caught and penalties when caught are low. Until this balance shifts, nothing will change.

casual obsever wrote:

These excuses ⤵ sound even better when backed by some Chopin.

These two will come in a few days, after most here have moved on, and claim that

a) Kiprop doped only once

b) he was slower when doped than before

c) EPO does therefore not work on certain...

d) the Rosas have noting to do with that, nothing to see here.

Doped to the Max wrote:

...and where is rekrunner? rekrunner? You there?

Paging rekrunner?

How's that endorsements thing working out for Leo?

"he" = rekrunner? But normally you don't provide any facts.

Correct, I will never say that, because my statement is the accurate one:

"The Tübingen/Harvard study says that 44% (likely underestimated, according to the authors) were drug cheats at the World Championships in 2011."

Oh, now "he" = me? Naturally I prefer to go straight to the original work. Let me cite, again, the results presented therein. There it is, prominently for everyone to see, on page 1 (and I am citing the whole "Results" paragraph):

This proves that I was right to mention 44% prevalence (rounded correctly from 43.6%). Actually, most likely even more if considering lifetime, as the study was only about a 12 month period.

Reading further, we find in the discussion part:

and in conclusion

So, I was also correct in stating " likely underestimated, according to the authors ".

What is your problem with the above? Well, other than you trolling for attention again.

Rhetorical question, don't answer that.

Well, yes. That's why I correctly wrote: "at the World Championships", not only men or male 1500 m runners. If you had paid attention, you would have seen that the poster I responded to specifically mentioned the 100 m sprint, so... do you have a point?

Rhetorical question, don't answer that.

As for Seppelt, are you seriously arguing against this logic:

more suspicious --> more likely to cheat?

Rhetorical question, don't answer that.

rekrunner wrote:

It's a real shame that they obviously did not read my "Closer look at performances in the EPO era" thread

Good one. Instead of listening to their coaches, doctors, and athletes, the cheats should read your ramblings?

And do what you say?

Oh man, now you really crack me up.

rekrunner wrote:

a) Who knows, maybe not even once.

b) He has run slow for almost three years.

c) EPO "working" is a separate discussion.

d) Guilt by association?

casual obsever wrote:

These two will come in a few days, after most here have moved on, and claim that

a) Kiprop doped only once

b) he was slower when doped than before

c) EPO does therefore not work on certain...

d) the Rosas have noting to do with that, nothing to see here.

Lol. Love it when you make fun of yourself on purpose. Keep them coming!

As for d) You just wrote about the Rosas that they are "either incompetent (for not managing their athletes with enough oversight), or complicit".

And obviously, they are way too successful to be incompetent. So no, not guilt by association, but guilt by history and logic.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

My favorite part of the statement is specifically mentioning leaving the top off the sample.

Yes, along with the part where the "officers" drop EPO into the sample, while waiting to get the money.

Rojo Bojo wrote:

It infuriates me that Paula gets away with this without the general population knowing that she is in more that likely a massive cheating fraud. I really want someone to dig deep, get the evidence and bust her. Ruin her life if that is what is required to get the truth out.

Doesn't infuriate me at all, as most cheats got away. And there is no way of ruining her life; even Armstrong remains to be a multi-millionaire.

Having said that, getting her busted would be really good for those of us who would prefer a less dirty sport in the future.