London: this guy won the 50-54 age group

Extreme outlier marathon time + extreme outlier muscle mass + extreme outlier low body fat = more than likely on some anti-aging stuff.

Does it really matter? No. I’d be pissed if someone at UKAD decided to waste resources testing guys like this.

You’d be pissed because you’re guilty.

Lol nobody innocent would be concerned about “wasting resources”. That’s the phrase crime lords cry out to police.

Eqrt wrote:

Extreme outlier marathon time + extreme outlier muscle mass + extreme outlier low body fat = more than likely on some anti-aging stuff.

Does it really matter? No. I’d be pissed if someone at UKAD decided to waste resources testing guys like this.

Did you read the posts from people who actually have met him in person? They say he's 5'8 and 155 lbs.

Did you look at the photo of him next to other normal people? He obviously has a much narrower frame than most people. This explains why he can look so jacked at only 155 lbs.

Add in elite genetics which he clearly has based on running 3:47 when young, and you can start to see why it's not at all surprising that he runs a time feasible for a 50 yr old 10 lbs lighter than him.

There's 40yr old guys competing on a world class level. 2:35 or so from a 50 yr old is, while incredibly impressive, not so absurd.

Cross Fit works!!! Maybe you skinny little boys should try it? You might actually get a date if you hit the weights hard enough!

Ladies......you should all be lining up to jump this guys 'BONE'!!! He knows how to use it and wont blow his wad after two just minutes!!! "Middle Aged Dudes" Totally ROCK!!!!

Don't wanna be boned by a stud with testicle atrophy

I won the inaugural farm park three hour division and I am very, very muscular. I have never done PEDs, just a badass I am.

I have no idea if this guy is clean, butnige seen nothing on his thread that makes me think otherwise.

Yes, he's a muscular guy, but he only weighs ten pounds more than me and some significant portion of that is in his legs, which can add value in the marathon.

Yes, he's extraordinarily lean, but probably only a couple of body fat percentage points leaner than most other good marathoners.

Yes, he ran fast, but it wasn't an outlandish time, being just under a 90% age graded performance per a previous poster. You'll see those in just about every world major marathon and quite a few regular posters on this site do that annually at one distance or another.

Yes, he came back very quickly from an injury. So did I about a year ago, going from running one mile at 8:30 pace at the end of September 2016 to being very competitive by early March and finishing top 3 in my age group at Boston in April.

No, they do not typically test age group winners at these races, at least not in the US. The logistics are nearly impossible as they have no idea who is an age group finisher until hours after the athletes have cleared the finishing chutes.

The guy obviously has some good genes. No, that doesn't mean he isn't doping, but why would we automatically assume he is? Because of him being unusually cut to the tune of 2-3 percentage points and carrying about 5-10 pounds more muscle than you might expect?

How old and how big was Pete Magill when he ran his 1:10 half?

I think this guy is awesome.

Looks like he has the pedigree and work ethic.

Running 6 minute miles for a guy with his talent sounds very doable.

I train with a guy in his 50’s who could easily run 2:36 if he stayed healthy and trained a bit smarter.

That's a really decent thing to say, in my opinion.

Smoove, where does the energy come from to be jacked and run train like that? I am not saying he is cheating, I read the stories of some of these jacked masters and all they do is have a normal life and train six hours a day , or they do hard cardio 4-5 times a week and lift 3, but since some of it is cross training it works. But nothing hard everyday works for most old people? That's what makes me wonder. It's like seeing a 50 -60 yo woman with stunning breasts , hard as rocks, what side of the benefit of the doubt do you lean towards wrt to real or fake? Just good genes. I guess.

doping ousters anonymous - alpha 1 wrote:

You’d be pissed because you’re guilty.

Lol nobody innocent would be concerned about “wasting resources”. That’s the phrase crime lords cry out to police.

Interesting idea. Maybe you’re right. Or-maybe-I just don’t want government money to be spent on policing old people who cheat at their frivolous hobby.

But I’m not from the U.K., so if that’s what they want, fine.

right there wrote:

youknowsit wrote:

+2

Older bro has a 2:12 'thon

Older bro is within 3 minutes of Rupp

But did the older bro run 2:12 with pounds and pounds of extra, artificially produced muscle?

By the way, when are they going to provide proof that Lance was doping? He never failed a test. He was a VO2/LT freak and he had some charities from which he took only part of the money. He was railroaded, you jealous bastards.

The face of the runner in the photo does not suggest an individual who ages slower than the average bloke.

It's a picture of a 70 year old man's head photo-shopped onto a young, doped body builder.

Old Skool wrote:

I’m in the hard work camp for this guy but his progression from 1 minute at 10minute pace in January to 2:36 marathoner 4 1/2 months later is eye brow raising. .

I'm a 52 year old with some similarities (8:16 3000 when young, 15:36 5k aged 47, 71kg racing weight 3-5 years ago). I'm also just resuming running now after a year of injury, which involves a knee, and 10kg of racing weight. It makes sense to me.

If he was doing 10 minute miles because he was completely, utterly unfit, BUT MECHANICALLY NORMAL, to peak in 4.5 months, I would agree. But if he was "not running at all" for a while, then started some super-slow low-impact jogging on grass, limited by caution not fitness, that would explain the 10 minute miles. That's about as slow as guys like us can jog. He then started to speed up naturally as the leg got fitter and he trusted it, and he'd progress fast in his training paces and come down to 8min mile easy runs.

Also, if he had stayed fit in the gym, pool and on a bike, but had just gained weight - 14% of it - when not running much, that weight loss alone would be worth about 1:30 per mile jogging. You try running with a 10kg rucksack, then take it off and see how much lighter you feel. It is absolutely possible to drop a kilo a week if (a) you had extra fat to start with, (b) you are upping your training every week, and (c) you eat really well and get committed.

The results is still outstanding.

And it's 3 and a half months, not 4 and a half.

I don't know where it comes from. I do know when I was a kid and worked as a lifeguard, lots of firefighters would swim at the pool where I worked. For them, fitness was a lifestyle and they did it all year round. For many, they even do it while at work as there was a lot of downtime between calls and they'd work those strange x days on/y days off shifts. Maybe that's when he finds the time to lift. Maybe he gets some cardio in then.

Maybe he's just really gifted and could've new a 2:18 open guy - based on his 8:15 and his brother's 2:12, that sounds pretty plausible, which makes 2:3x at his age seem pretty reasonable.

I'd say I probably put in 10-13 hours per week of training in when I'm really getting after it. I don't have the energy for more, but if I could do some of that while at work, and if my kids were out of the house already, maybe I'd find time for more or wouldn't be as run down by he end of each cycle.

I don't want to go over the top defending a stranger. I just feel bad that we all jump to the conclusion that a jacked dude is cheating because he is jacked. I know if he is clean and has worked hard to get where he is, he is being cheated out of something by accusations to the contrary. And that's what the actual dopers have taken from the rest of us - the presumption that we have gotten wherever we have gotten due to our hard work and natural ability.

There's a real tragedy to this guy that anyone starting to get older can appreciate - he's obviously trying to fight off the inevitable. And he probably looks at himself in the mirror thinking "I'm looking pretty damn good, I could be banging chicks half my age and they'd be grateful. I am an adonis!".

And at some level I guess you've got to admire that dedication. But the truth is - and this is the tragedy - he looks like a beefy Sid James. He thinks he's looking great but people will be laughing at him and his pumped up body / old man face combo. Better to age gracefully...

...add to that he loves writing about himself, even more tragic.

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