Banana Bread wrote:
I got it! Coe rhymes with Mo. Ironically Coevett replied and it made my brain realise he was referring to Seb Coe.
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Banana Bread wrote:
I got it! Coe rhymes with Mo. Ironically Coevett replied and it made my brain realise he was referring to Seb Coe.
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I'm not sure records at 5000m and 10000 for Geb and Bekele are really conclusive.
We don't see those events in Hengelo and so forth set up for people to break WRs the way it used to happen.
We haven't seen Farah try properly rabbitted WR attempts at those distances the way it used to happen.
That said, whilst 2.06 is a good performance, it's not like the Geb - he became the best marathoner in the world for a while.
pr100 wrote:
I'm not sure records at 5000m and 10000 for Geb and Bekele are really conclusive.
We don't see those events in Hengelo and so forth set up for people to break WRs the way it used to happen.
We haven't seen Farah try properly rabbitted WR attempts at those distances the way it used to happen.
That said, whilst 2.06 is a good performance, it's not like the Geb - he became the best marathoner in the world for a while.
Why did Farah never attempt a WR attempt at the 5000m/10000m?
There would have been big bonuses for him.
Alain Prost wrote:
pr100 wrote:
I'm not sure records at 5000m and 10000 for Geb and Bekele are really conclusive.
We don't see those events in Hengelo and so forth set up for people to break WRs the way it used to happen.
We haven't seen Farah try properly rabbitted WR attempts at those distances the way it used to happen.
That said, whilst 2.06 is a good performance, it's not like the Geb - he became the best marathoner in the world for a while.
Why did Farah never attempt a WR attempt at the 5000m/10000m?
There would have been big bonuses for him.
Well let's just say that he would need more than just l-carnitine and vitamin d in his transfusion bags to break those records.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Alain Prost wrote:
Why did Farah never attempt a WR attempt at the 5000m/10000m?
There would have been big bonuses for him.
Well let's just say that he would need more than just l-carnitine and vitamin d in his transfusion bags to break those records.
What has been the closest times in the last 3 years to the WR in 5000m and 10000m?
Alain Prost wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Well let's just say that he would need more than just l-carnitine and vitamin d in his transfusion bags to break those records.
What has been the closest times in the last 3 years to the WR in 5000m and 10000m?
Kejelcha 12:53.98
Mo 26:49 @ the London WCs
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Alain Prost wrote:
What has been the closest times in the last 3 years to the WR in 5000m and 10000m?
Kejelcha 12:53.98
Mo 26:49 @ the London WCs
Thanks.
Says a lot, doesn't it?
Rupp went 26:44.36 in 2014
Edwin Cheruiyot went 12:51.34 in 2013
oiud wrote:
Rupp went 26:44.36 in 2014
Edwin Cheruiyot went 12:51.34 in 2013
Not even close to the WR.
Either Bekele is unbelievable or something else.
Alain Prost wrote:
oiud wrote:
Rupp went 26:44.36 in 2014
Edwin Cheruiyot went 12:51.34 in 2013
Not even close to the WR.
Either Bekele is unbelievable or something else.
Any suspicious that Farah doped himself?
Since he trained in the US, the US are about as notorious as the Russians and East Germans.
Khalan wrote:
Any suspicious that Farah doped himself?
Since he trained in the US, the US are about as notorious as the Russians and East Germans.
Farah probably has asthma like all the cheats.
LM wrote:
Takinadump wrote:
Farah was defeated by Bekele in a half in their only head to head matchup at that distance and his prs from 5000 and up are significantly better. Kipchoge is also better at the 5000 and MUCH better at the marathon. Also convincingly beat Farah in the indoor 2 mile.
Kipchoge is indeed MUCH better at the marathon. Tbh Farah is MUCH better at 1500, but not by the same amount that Kipchoge is better at the marathon. Farah has Kipchoge by about 5s at the mile, but Kipchoge by over 3:00 at the marathon, and realistically Kipchoge could probably be a minute faster at marathon and also realistically should have run 3:31/3:32 in 1500.
Kipchoge can only be in the conversation if you want to go to the realm of speculation and assume he coulda/shoulda/woulda run 3:31/2:02:00, in which case he has the edge over Bekele, but right now it's a clear win for Bekele at:
3:31/2:03:03 vs: 3:33/2:03:05
So in strict PRs Bekele wins. If you go speculation route then it's still better at both for Bekele. If injury Bekele 10 years past his zenith can run 2:03 low there is no doubt that prime Bekele was good for 2:01:xx. Guy much WAY better across the board 10 years ago, and is obviously suited for the marathon since this version of Bekele runs 2:03 when the best he can manage on the track is 26:4x.
For me though, the real potential elephant in the room is Farah. That 2:06 was impressive. I certainly don't find it hard to think that in Berlin conditions he runs 2:05 low. It's still his second marathon. There exists decent chance he can get better. If Farah runs 2:04 the range conversation gets interesting. If he runs 2:03:xx then there is no way it's anybody but Farah.
More importantly, if he runs 2:03:xx there is no way the guy couldn't have run sub 12:40. Geb ran sub 12:40 off of 3:31 high and 2:03:59. If Farah is faster at marathon and significantly faster at 1500, then you certainly have to think he coulda woulda shoulda pulled out 12:3x and 26:1x if he had gone for it.
He is the worlds greatest runner. Embrace it.
That might be true, because he was the only runner ranked No.1 in 800, 1500, 5000 and 10000m, but other greats like Kenenisa, Geb or Kipchoge also had a great range from 1500 to marathon. For Geb and Kenny B. i think they were capable of sub 3:30 1500.
People are also throwing names such as Choge or Lagat, but in comparison with previous - they are second-tier athletes (no WRs, no Olympic golds).
Someone said Webb - but he had only one good season and is barely third-thier athlete.
I'll tell ya that you all forgot the man who had perhaps even greater range than Aouita and that was Kip Keino. Like Aouita, he went down from contesting 10k at the '68 Olympics to steeple and even 800m in '72.
Apart from his WRs at 3 and 5k in '65, his legendary 1500m gold in Mexico that is still the greatest Oly performance in 1500m final, three CG golds, he run 28:06 10k just before the Games - third fastest ever for the distance, still 27 secs behind Clarke's WR.
In '72, just before the Olympics he ran 800m PR of 1:46.4 - only 2.1 seconds behind existing WR and than won another Olympic gold in 3000msc, missing the WR by 1.6 secs in a tactical final.
If you translate his performances to year 2020 his times would be abnormal
Look at the line -
800m - 1:43.0
1500m - 3:27.8
mile - 3:45.1 (run 3.53.1 in altitude race in Kenya on cinders)
3000m - 7:20.6
5000m - 12:43
10000m - 26:38
AND
steeplechase - 7:55.2
That was Kip from 1965 to 1972.
Sadly, there's no runner nearly capable of that today.
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