Are there still better recruiting offers?

Some programs are just run this way. Search elsewhere if that isn't in line with what you are looking for. Also, you waited wayyyyy too late. A lot of the money is already gone.

d uno bound wrote:

Some programs are just run this way. Search elsewhere if that isn't in line with what you are looking for. Also, you waited wayyyyy too late. A lot of the money is already gone.

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By this time of year you have to be really special for a school to still have money for you.

Yes, but you can’t be as selective as you could have been in November. A top 5 runner should be able to get a full ride at a power 5 even at this time in the cycle. The lesson is that kids who don’t sign in November should be negotiating from then until April (or sooner if you verbally commit) so schools save a bit of money for your late signing.

It depends on the program; but I don't know of any programs that make all freshmen walk on. The coaches at this university probably know the athlete wants to be there, and so they don't feel a need to offer. Also, it is very likely that at this point most major programs are at max capacity for next years scholarships (there are NCAA limits that can not be exceeded).

Look elsewhere or walk on. Plenty of mid majors will still have a full ride available for a true top 5 athlete.

Just to be clear, he started in August. Granted, he was looking only at limited choice of schools. None will offered anything substantial. He Verbally committed in November. Was a top runner then, has improved since. Just wanted to know if this was unusual for P5 schools.

Teams are about to have more money open up due to transfers, grades or just removing ids from scholarship. We had a kid with minimal interest from power 5 schools get a significant amount of money after winning state titles in the 100 and 200. He actually ended up at his "dream school" who told me in the winter that this kid was not fast enough t run for his team.

I'm confused...he committed verbally in November but didn't sign? Why? Was it after the initial signing date? Also, did he commit without getting a scholarship offer? No idea of percentage or $ amount?

Confusedrunner67 wrote:

I'm confused...he committed verbally in November but didn't sign? Why? Was it after the initial signing date? Also, did he commit without getting a scholarship offer? No idea of percentage or $ amount?

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How could he verbally commit without knowing what they were offering him? Or did they promise something in November that they aren't delivering now?

Up late at night wrote:

Just to be clear, he started in August. Granted, he was looking only at limited choice of schools. None will offered anything substantial. He Verbally committed in November. Was a top runner then, has improved since. Just wanted to know if this was unusual for P5 schools.

Is this about Hengst?

odd story wrote:

Up late at night wrote:

Just to be clear, he started in August. Granted, he was looking only at limited choice of schools. None will offered anything substantial. He Verbally committed in November. Was a top runner then, has improved since. Just wanted to know if this was unusual for P5 schools.

Is this about Hengst?

Isn't Hengst going to Ole Miss?

Of course money is still available at a number of schools. Our school made Nationals in cross country and have several Regional qualifiers. We have scholarships available. It is ridiculous to not get a substantial offer if you’re too 5 like you claim.

Up late at night wrote:

Top 5 nationally ranked runner, with some major victories,

my athlete is set on a particular Large university with a storied program.

They are offering no scholarship now, saying they have no money for first years.

Is this a usual practice or are we getting low-balled? My coaches and others are telling him to go elsewhere or demand more money. Any opinions from D1 coaches? Anyone can speak in general terms about their D1 offers?

Your kid is definitely getting low balled. Of course college coaches are going to try get great athletes to walk on, that is their dream. Have your athlete tell that coach that his school is too expensive and he is going somewhere else that gives him a scholarship, if he really wants him they will make an offer, if not go somewhere else. Even if he has to go D2 i'd much rather get a full ride at great D2 school then walk on to a big D1 and have to take student loans.

Up late at night wrote:

Just to be clear, he started in August. Granted, he was looking only at limited choice of schools. None will offered anything substantial. He Verbally committed in November. Was a top runner then, has improved since. Just wanted to know if this was unusual for P5 schools.

I don't get it. If he is actually NATIONALLY (not just your state) ranked top 5 why wouldn't he be receiving money offers? What is GPA/test scores? Seems fishy. Yes, full scholarships in T&F are hard to come by but if he is top 5 in the nation he should be offered something substantial, if not full.

GEEZ, I was trying not to reveal too much of the identity. Yes, i promise, this is a NATIONALLY top 5 runner. Why would I lie? I'm trying to get some information/advice from a bunch of unidentified blog readers, hopefully some coaches, recruited runners, parents.

OK - Won BIG state championship last year. started talking to schools then. All big schools, mostly western states. races prior to the big championship were good but nothing spectacular. Started coming into the top ranges late Jr. outdoor season. We assumed people thought it might be a fluke. One university said they only had a few thousand - that the rest had been given away - in November, as early signing was the goal. Stanford was in play but wanted an early decision application with no promise to help get in and that would have stopped all others; so we decided not to take the chance and do visits at the other interested schools. GPA isn't great but had an great SAT score so acceptance there was going to be iffy. Current choice is a good prestige school, low acceptance rate, familiar and the visit nailed it down. Only verbally committed because they said they had no money $0 but did guarantee admission. You don't sign without an offer, remember?

Since then has won some BIG national races. PR is in range for NCAA scoring. Will be one of the best on the team in events. They are now wanting a signed NLI for "books". it's just to lock us down i know. I feel it is very low but will be hard to convince my athlete to go elsewhere.

I have been trying to ask around. Local coaches say it's crazy not to get anything. I've been reading this blog. Some have said big schools have no money. That's why I'm asking.

No. Not Hengst.

SEE: Oklahoma State, Furman, or Syracuse. They always hold big money for distance at the end.

I am a parent that just went through the process with my kid. Reading this, a possibility comes up....the school/schools might be withholding money if they think the athlete is super interested in the school and will be happy with a guaranteed admission (basically what your athlete agreed to when he gave a verbal commit to a no money offer). You don't give a verbal commit unless you are ok with what they are offering at the time...negotiating doesn't happen later so I am surprised that it is now an issue at signing. Your athlete knew what they were offering/not offering when he gave his verbal commit. My kid went on a visit to a very prestigious school...super low acceptance rate. Kid has good grades but not a 4.0 and also pretty good test scores. They recruited kid HARD, paid for the visit but then were playing games with available money. Because everyone who applies to this particular school has amazing grades, test scores and activities they can get away with offering admission rather than money to kids that they feel it might be a stretch to be accepted. A lot of the money does seem to get tied up with the early recruiting period but if they were telling a top 5 athlete no money in November there is a different reason. It is highly unlikely they were out of money before early signing.

Yes, you’re getting completely lowballed. If a kid is truly a top 5 in the nation talent he should accept nothing less than a full scholarship. That should be AT LEAST tuition books and fees, if not a stipend additionally.

Here’s the key: get a full ride offer from a great school on the table, then you can play hardball with the school you really want. Tell them full ride or no-go.

Trust me. Played the game. I was a top 5 nat’l HSer.

Is this situation as typical for women’s distance running as it is to men’s??