Numbers guy wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/
What on Earth is that article talking about?
Tesla has accomplished something no other automaker can claim: It's made a relatively affordable electric car, the Model 3, that hundreds of thousands of people are lining up to buy
That's the most Tesla hype I've ever seen.
As I just alluded to, Nissan has sold and delivered over 300,000 Leafs already which makes it the world's best selling electric car and they did this whilst offering an entire range of other vehicles.
I'd actually be slightly suprised if Tesla ever delivers 300,000 Model 3s despite all their pre-orders.
ex-runner wrote:
That's the most Tesla hype I've ever seen.
As I just alluded to, Nissan has sold and delivered over 300,000 Leafs already which makes it the world's best selling electric car and they did this whilst offering an entire range of other vehicles.
I'd actually be slightly suprised if Tesla ever delivers 300,000 Model 3s despite all their pre-orders.
The best year for the Leaf was in 2014 when it produced 61K cars worldwide. They haveonly procedure 44K cars last year. The Model 3 was produced at a rate of 5000 cars per week last week. The Model 3 could sell 4X more than the leaf ever did in the next year.
Sksjsksks wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
That's the most Tesla hype I've ever seen.
As I just alluded to, Nissan has sold and delivered over 300,000 Leafs already which makes it the world's best selling electric car and they did this whilst offering an entire range of other vehicles.
I'd actually be slightly suprised if Tesla ever delivers 300,000 Model 3s despite all their pre-orders.
The best year for the Leaf was in 2014 when it produced 61K cars worldwide. They haveonly procedure 44K cars last year. The Model 3 was produced at a rate of 5000 cars per week last week. The Model 3 could sell 4X more than the leaf ever did in the next year.
Ok but the quote says that no other auto manufacturer can claim to have sold hundreds of thousands of midrange electric cars. Yet Nissan has literally done that, and moreso they have actually delivered those hundreds of thousands of cars and those cars are on our roads.
Tesla is playing catch-up but their longs want you to believe that they are leading the way somehow.
This model 3 production has been a mess, it was the same story with the Model X. Musk having to scale back the level of automation on the production line says it all really. He has ideas and just wants to make them happen seemingly for the clickbait articles, "Tesla has the most automated production line in automotive history". Almost Trumpesque, dare I say.
I can't wait for the stories coming in about the quality issues these cars will no doubt suffer from. Humans get tired working 12 hours shifts and make mistakes.
I also wonder how many of these cars they will deliver and how many pre-orders will be cancelled by people not willing to wait 5 years for their car.
Sksjsksks wrote:
The best year for the Leaf was in 2014 when it produced 61K cars worldwide. They haveonly procedure 44K cars last year. The Model 3 was produced at a rate of 5000 cars per week last week. The Model 3 could sell 4X more than the leaf ever did in the next year.
I would rewrite this: Tesla just had ONE week where they produced 5000 cars. They have production in tents now. They have a worker shortage and the ones they have leave very quick again. Training for the new workers is just a couple of days.
I am looking forward to hear all the stories about bad production quality.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/business/tesla-factory-musk.htmlThey probably meant sold in a single year. BTW, the Model S also sold hundreds of thousands (probably approx 250k by now) and the Model S is not midrange.
Yes, clearly, Tesla is playing catch up. The car industry is >100 years old. The Leaf started production in 2010. However,clearly, Tesla is already delivering multiple times more Model 3 per month than Nissan is delivering Leafs.
Is Tesla perfect? Far from it. Ramping up production at that rate is insane. It's incredible that they are "somewhat" able to do it.
At this production rate, Tesla will be going through its order book in less than 2 years (not 5). If manufacturing pace increases, than it will take less than 2 years. People will wait 1 to 2 years, for their Model 3, if no other car manufacturer comes out with a better product. I have not seen one yet.
Numbers guy wrote:
Sksjsksks wrote:
The best year for the Leaf was in 2014 when it produced 61K cars worldwide. They haveonly procedure 44K cars last year. The Model 3 was produced at a rate of 5000 cars per week last week. The Model 3 could sell 4X more than the leaf ever did in the next year.
I would rewrite this: Tesla just had ONE week where they produced 5000 cars. They have production in tents now. They have a worker shortage and the ones they have leave very quick again. Training for the new workers is just a couple of days.
I am looking forward to hear all the stories about bad production quality.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/business/tesla-factory-musk.html
Yes, as I said, Musk does things to get headlines.
Pulling out tents and forcing your workers to do 14 12 hour shifts in one week, pulling workers off other assembly lines, does not constitute sustainable production rates. Just read the interviews posted in this thread of the workers on the lines.
There was already a story floating around about poor braking ability of the model 3.
This production rate is not sustainable from Tesla, read what they've had to do to achieve it for a single week.
I'd be fairly suprised if they exceed in delivering over 100k cars without faults in a year.
Musk's technofetishism is his undoing. The obsession with maximum automation, for the Trumpist clickbait headlines, undermines the resilience of his own production system and defeats him. His inability to design a manufacturing system that incorporates people effectively - quite unlike the Japanese carmakers - spells long term disaster.
What he will discover is that while venture capitalists liked the fantasy of high tech that he peddled, they don't like failure to deliver and consequent financial disaster.
Musk is a PT Barnum of the electric age.
I bought a Tesla 3. With 300 miles of range and solar I’m not paying for gas and have IMO a solid car for 42k (tax write off and paid to upgrade the rims). It looks better than other hybrids & electrics and is fun to drive. I do agree that their go to here is the battery. They will be bought up before they die for that technology alone.
The part I don’t agree with is the 12-14 hour shifts and labor practices. This is why unions are needed. The workforce would have walked off long ago. Hopefully they are well paid and receive stock bonuses.
I don’t get the conservatives who hate on Tesla. It’s an American car company that has its workforce here. It is anti union and pension. It’s a play out of the Republican playbook yet they hate on them something awful.
a solid car for 42k (tax write off ) ...
I don’t get the conservatives who hate on Tesla.
I don't get how well-off smugs can so blatantly steal under cover of law, while patting themselves on the back for being so virtuous.
theJeff wrote:
FFF wrote:
Tesla is Apple, in 1984.
All Apple had to do in 1984 was license the MacOS to everyone else, and Windows would be in the trashheap like all the other early-80s operating systems.
Because Tesla is a battery company first, and a car company third or fourth, ALL they have to do is create a common car platform or three, and license it/them to all the other car manufacturers. It might be too late, given China, since China is eating our lunch anyway, but that's how Trump wants it, so there you go.
It is pretty immature to drop an irrelevant name just to elicit an emotional response. That is the kind of thing Hitler did.
Pot, meet Kettle. I'm nominating this for POD for sheer irony. I hope that's what you meant to do.
ex-runner wrote:
This production rate is not sustainable from Tesla, read what they've had to do to achieve it for a single week.
I'd be fairly suprised if they exceed in delivering over 100k cars without faults in a year.
Are you expecting them not to make any improvements in production from now on? Obviously, 5K car per week is not sustainable the way they are doing it NOW. But they have now proven that it is possible. That's huge. They are working out one bottleneck (or many) at a time. They have set up "temporary" solutions while they are overcoming the bottlenecks. They will get there.
5k/week is approx 23K cars per month. To put things in perspective, only one Model of car sold more than 30k in the US in May (Honda Civic). When you get to 23k cars/month, you get in rarefied air. No US manufacturers achieved that in May (only Toyota, Honda and Nissan had car models that achieved that type of number)
Why not cheer for Tesla and wish them the best in their progression. Other US car manufacturers are now starting to lag behind Tesla (in the car market)
Yes, but they are not as good as Honda. Really? What a surprise. If they hit Honda numbers after one year of production, it would be as impressive as a HS school runner winning the Olympics.... now, Tesla is "only" the equivalent of a HS runner winning the US trials (I'm impressed with that. Not you?)
Yes, the pressure is off the charts. There will be casualties. Most people can't handle that level of pressure. What they are trying to do is borderline impossible (think winning the Olympic Gold medal)
I simply hope that they can get through it
Lotsa qwitters wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-02/tesla-confirms-chief-engineer-has-left
Holy smokes, Batman! Tesla is a sinking ship and all the rats at the top are jumping out while Musk spins half truths about production and lies about Tesla self driving and crashes. I bet you that Musk's claim about Tesla production is full of half baked cars.
On a day when Tesla's share price plunged 10% from its highs intraday after Musk tried to spin his missed Model 3 deadline as a win, the company has confirmed that its chief engineer Doug Field is leaving the company.
This comes just a day after Tesla's CIO quit (and is already missing a COO, a CAO, and a CMO). The company C-suite executive team is limited to Elon Musk, Chief Executive Officer, JB Straubel, Chief Technology Officer, and Gabrielle Toledano, Chief People Officer.
You have to love this quote from zero hedge: "The latest SEC filing shows Field sold over $1 million in Tesla shares."
If the Chief engineer is leaving and selling his shares right away, you know it only gets better.
Henry Ford wrote:
You have to love this quote from zero hedge: "The latest SEC filing shows Field sold over $1 million in Tesla shares."
If the Chief engineer is leaving and selling his shares right away, you know it only gets better.
Driving a whole company to success (doing what is impossible), while managing egos (of people who have f&ck y@u money)is a very difficult task.
Remember, there is no road map for what they are trying to achieve. The C suite 's past experience may actually be an obstacle to achieving what needs to be achieved. Sometimes, when you only sleep 4 hours a night, it's difficult to get your point across without ruffling feathers. At one point, you simply tell them to do it. Then the egos get hurt.
Guess it's a mutual feeling wrote:
a solid car for 42k (tax write off ) ...
I don’t get the conservatives who hate on Tesla.
I don't get how well-off smugs can so blatantly steal under cover of law, while patting themselves on the back for being so virtuous.
Are you saying you are well off smug if you afford a 42k car? That’s a F-150 or Ford Taurus. Hardly the upper class.
BTW: i’m Not sure why he really needs a CMO. He has $21 billion in backlog that he cannot deliver. Maybe he can wait to hire one.
He is currently the COO. Probably less stressful to simply do it himself
Not sure what the CAO’s mandate was
Chief engineer is problematic however, but...