Frankly, when I saw Rupp and Shalane and how they were dressed, my initial reaction was 1) they are over-dressed and 2) don't they know how to run in the rain/wind being from Portland/OR?
Frankly, when I saw Rupp and Shalane and how they were dressed, my initial reaction was 1) they are over-dressed and 2) don't they know how to run in the rain/wind being from Portland/OR?
;lkdf wrote:
Frankly, when I saw Rupp and Shalane and how they were dressed, my initial reaction was 1) they are over-dressed and 2) don't they know how to run in the rain/wind being from Portland/OR?
It's a race.Portland isn't that windy. If it's windy, you run in a loop. This was 100% into the wind the whole time. Colder than Oregon too.
This is great info and what you were describing in my other thread. Thanks for the info.
Also, this thread is hilarious and makes me laugh.
Nike = amateur hour.
Same with Kipchoge's insoles coming out in Berlin 2015. Don't these people learn or think?
Why is it that most of the runners that finished and overperformed were NOT wearing jackets, just normal racing singlets? I'm referring to Yuki and the top 5 women in general other than Desiree. I suspect that those that finished and outperformed expectations regulated temperature by running their normal race pace, whereas the elites tried to jog a super slow pace that didn't warm them sufficiently and tried to offset that by wearing super thick baggy layers that likely got wet and actually made them colder. Had they worn less and generated internal heat by increasing pace, they likely would have fared much better.
Also, why is it that these elite runners were wearing more layers than the pedestrians standing around cheering looking perfectly comfortable, I might add, with just jeans and a light jacket? When I run I can wear less than when I'm standing around and keep just as warm.
To think that a jacket is the reason these runners had a bad day is just ignorant. Please stop making sorry excuses for these runners, they simply didn’t have it today. Let it Go!
Hey man! The jacket is the Canopy shell! It's a windproof and high water-resistant fabric that breathes incredibly well! It's packable and also has a hood that can be rolled up and stowed. It's definitely been my go-to for inclement weather in the past winter months and spring rain seasons!
www.brooksrunning.com/en_us/brooks-womens-canopy-running-jacket/221221.html
redtorino wrote:
Hey man! The jacket is the Canopy shell! It's a windproof and high water-resistant fabric that breathes incredibly well! It's packable and also has a hood that can be rolled up and stowed. It's definitely been my go-to for inclement weather in the past winter months and spring rain seasons!
How easy is it to roll/unroll that hood on the run? Looks like some sort of weird snap, at least in the only picture I can see on their website. It's nice to have a good available, but they can be annoying if bouncing around when not in use
I totally agree (*cough cough wait until Fall 18)!
Working Harder wrote:
chatham09 wrote:
Isn't Gortex supposed to be both breathable and waterproof? I thought that was its claim to fame and also why it is usually on the expensive side.
Breathable to an extent. The newer single layer offerings (Arcteryx Norvan Sl for instance) are a heck of a lot better than the 2 and 3 layer shells out there.
Gore-Tex's standard three-layer waterproof fabric is not breathable. It's like wearing a trash bag. Moisture vapor from your body has to condense to pass through Gore-Tex's membrane. Polartec NeoShell is breathable--different membrane that allows vapor to pass through the fabric without going through a phase change.
redtorino wrote:
Hey man! The jacket is the Canopy shell! It's a windproof and high water-resistant fabric that breathes incredibly well! It's packable and also has a hood that can be rolled up and stowed. It's definitely been my go-to for inclement weather in the past winter months and spring rain seasons!
www.brooksrunning.com/en_us/brooks-womens-canopy-running-jacket/221221.html
Des mentioned that her Brooks top was "bulletproof"
Smartie wrote:
Why is it that most of the runners that finished and overperformed were NOT wearing jackets, just normal racing singlets? I'm referring to Yuki and the top 5 women in general other than Desiree.
It's pretty simple. They do well in those conditions relative to their cohorts. The same thing happens in cycling. As conditions get worse, many of the typical podium people have bad days while lower-ranked riders do great. And the interview goes pretty similar. "It was tough, but I liked it." Yuki said as much in an interview somewhere.
IMO, gore-tex with covered vents would have been the best thing with a wool/wool-blend base layer. I'm guessing there isn't a market for what would be a VERY expensive single-use running jacket that isn't easily discarded because it's so expensive.
redtorino wrote:
high water-resistant fabric
In real life that means soaked-through in 10 minutes of that rain.
CDubs wrote:
Gore-Tex's standard three-layer waterproof fabric is not breathable. It's like wearing a trash bag. Moisture vapor from your body has to condense to pass through Gore-Tex's membrane. Polartec NeoShell is breathable--different membrane that allows vapor to pass through the fabric without going through a phase change.
Posted the Polartec employee.
Explain to me how moisture vapor wouldn't form with a human wearing gore tex. Do running humans stop sweating under high physical exertion?
If you have it rolled before the run (and roll tight) it's great. If you're trying to mid-run, it's a tad tricky, but it doesn't bounce too much though. Unrolling is extremely easy; it is a small snap, part, but I feel it does hold it up well!
redtorino wrote:
Hey man! The jacket is the Canopy shell! It's a windproof and high water-resistant fabric that breathes incredibly well! It's packable and also has a hood that can be rolled up and stowed. It's definitely been my go-to for inclement weather in the past winter months and spring rain seasons!
www.brooksrunning.com/en_us/brooks-womens-canopy-running-jacket/221221.html
How is it windproof and highly breathable? I remember reading an article that was rating jackets and it said there is a trade-off between being windproof and breathable and you cannot have both in the same jacket. Vents perhaps? The article was a few years ago so maybe some new technology has popped up.
Given that, I know some jackets provide a better balance than others and it is hard to believe that hardly any of the elites had clothing that could pull it off.
Kiriu's jacket might have been just fine had he worn one size smaller. I did like the see through fabric.
I disagree. Nike put on a brilliant demonstration of how wind resistant their jackets are. Did you see how well his jacket was catching the wind? Truly an impressive display of stopping wind.
It Wurks wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
correction, without it, he probably would have won.
Nope. He would have failed inline with the other Africans.
Obvious Nike shill
I own the same jacket, and I still do not how they were able to create such a masterful, balanced jacket.
The surface of the jacket is a thin, soft shell, so it is not dense. It is see through ( when held up to light, similar to compression gear) , and that is where the breathability comes in. However, even though it is slightly see through and thinly layered, it blocks wind. The athletic fit of the jacket prevents it from becoming a parachute or a sail.
It is not waterproof, but it is water resistant, so light to medium moisture is going to sit on the surface of the jacket, and dry off. Now, in an extreme down pour, water is going to get in, but since it is breathable, you will dry off really fast - as long as you are wearing the proper dri-fit layers underneath.
It's not for extremely cold weather, because of it being slightly see through( when held up to light) , but that is not the job of a windbreaker. This is where people get confused. Warmth should come from the other layers that you have on.
The setup: dri fit long sleeve compression shirt as the first layer, singlet as the second layer, and the brooks windbreaker as the protection layer. All formfitting. That set-up is good for 30 degrees and up.
Fleece is so overrated to me. I try to stay away from it at all cost. It will cause you to overheat, and you will turn into a wet dog in a vicious downpour.
This thread is (almost) useless without pics
Would love to see some images of NIKE elites trying to sail against the wind in their oversized jackets.