Jordan Hasay officially OUT of 2018 Boston Marathon

Science can be a liar sometimes

There could be a number of different reasons for her to pull out so late. But, assuming her statement is the real reason for why she is pulling out, it's important to keep in mind that you may still see signs of a stress reaction on imaging long after the stress reaction has healed. She could feel completely normal and feel ready to go, but the image may still show signs of bone stress. So if her team really felt she was ready to run, they could have ordered the image to "ensure" she was healthy enough to run, but that could have also given them false feedback relative to how she was actually feeling. If you were to MRI the entire lower half (pelvis down to the foot) at any point in a non-symptomatic runner during periods of elevated training, you have a high likelihood of seeing positive findings that would indicate a stress response somewhere, but this doesn't mean it's an "active" fracture. So again, assuming her statement is accurate, her team may have made a mistake in letting imaging dictate the course of action rather than confirming a clinical suspicion based on symptom pattern and testing. Now if she had active pain or previous imaging with the same diagnosis during this build-up and they wanted to see progression of healing or a recent clinical suspicion of that injury but just hadn't received imaging sooner and was still experiencing discomfort though still running, that's a different story.

FWIW plantar fasciosis can cause stress responses at the attachment point, especially if accompanied by a heel spur. We don't obviously know where in the calcaneus her reaction appeared, but assuming it's related to the plantar issue she's been having, then she may see a hot spot at the attachment point (but that doesn't mean active stress reaction, especially if her plantar issues have occurred prior to this build-up).

FWIW x 2 - it's rare to order follow-up MRI imaging for stress fractures once the suspected diagnosis is confirmed because symptoms can appear on imaging anywhere from 6mo-1year post depending on patient's bone density scores. So if her team had previous imaging and wanted to track progress, I'm not sure what they were magically expecting to see that would have confirmed she was "healthy" enough to run if she were pain-free. Pain still should trump imaging findings, which is why I suggested earlier that although she may have been running and may not have felt pain, maybe she still felt something that also could have started increasing this week (or suddenly today) and hadn't received an MRI yet for the previous plantar symptoms (which would surprise me) or they wanted to compare previous imaging (that may not have showed a fracture but now did).

Just some thoughts

lol "disrespectful to the face" what?? you take running way to seriously

really????????? wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

ALL Runners/Marathoners would be wise to bring their team of Doctors and Therapist's with them. To ALL Races as well as Training camps, Hasay is just doing what EVERY runner should do.

If you want a fast time, don't run boston. Medical condition aside, it's disrespectful to the race. It's not about time pr, it's about placement given the conditions at hand. If you want a fast race run Berlin. If she's hurt she's hurt but stop lying to folks, pull a fast one and think everything is okay. It's okay to be honest in this world or else everything just starts to smell like wet dog.

* race

really????????? wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

ALL Runners/Marathoners would be wise to bring their team of Doctors and Therapist's with them. To ALL Races as well as Training camps, Hasay is just doing what EVERY runner should do.

If you want a fast time, don't run boston. Medical condition aside, it's disrespectful to the race. It's not about time pr, it's about placement given the conditions at hand. If you want a fast race run Berlin. If she's hurt she's hurt but stop lying to folks, pull a fast one and think everything is okay. It's okay to be honest in this world or else everything just starts to smell like wet dog.

Can't blame her. MRI picks up everything. She couldn't have "felt" that. Better to be safe than lose a year due to injury.

If elites got an MRI every day to detect anomalies they would never be allowed to train never mind race.

The heel thing has probably been there for months.

Rupp was allowed to hide his problems with cortisone. It would have still been there on an MRI.

Really Bro wrote:

Insurance is a scam, bro. If you have Jordan on the line, you can go out of pocket. I'd read her MRI pro bono just to see her pretty face, assuming one of her team doctors couldn't read it.

I bet you'd read her MRI pro bono.

Why didn't she get the MRI before boarding a plane to Boston? This makes absolutely no sense.

Shame On You wrote:

rojo wrote:

Just got this via text.

https://ibb.co/hAWiZ7

You think this funny Rojo?

I hope Jordan does not see this!

It's a meme. I had no idea what it meant. But here you go:

I don't think Jordan would think too much of it either way. Might think it's stupid.

As someone who has/ had stress reactions, I don't really see this as a BS thing. For me, some days were good, others were worse, and it wasn't until a MRI revealed the case. She could have had something nagging her and thought it was ok, but the last minute MRI was precautionary

Dexter St. John wrote:

Just wow... wrote:

MRIs light up all the time at bone and joint locations that are not symptomatic, don't pose an injury threat, and are basically incidental findings if asymptomatic. Given her recent history of PF, I'd be absolutely shocked if her MRI DIDN'T still show increased signal on the T2 images at the calcaneal insertion of the PF. If she's not symptomatic and this was the MRI finding, this is a BS excuse not to race.

Look at me everyone? I can google MRI

You are an ass. Go to hell.

Cortisone and then off to London Town. I guarantee it

Maybe next time she'll pull out of the race 5 minutes before, she's setting records now in different ways.

Jordan has a faster marathon PR than Shalane and Jordan crushed Boston last year in her first ever marathon. You are clueless about running. Just cause Shalane and Molly are fast on the track and shorter races, that doesn't take anything away with how strong Jordan is in the marathon.

Bone scans 'light up' at a stress reaction....

MR scans do not light up.

She is a little hurt, the weather is going to be a major factor and she's going to go somewhere and run fast real soon.

She is not disrespecting the race, she has represented herself well; starting the race and getting a portion of your appearance fee would have been disrespectful (and the first 7 miles of the course are a rough roller coaster).

She did the right thing.

Live to fight another day.

wejo wrote:

Shame On You wrote:

You think this funny Rojo?

I hope Jordan does not see this!

It's a meme. I had no idea what it meant. But here you go:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/crying-michael-jordan

I don't think Jordan would think too much of it either way. Might think it's stupid.

Yeah I don’t think it is crass, it’s just not particularly clever or funny.

I think she would have run even with the possible tibial microaggression if she could have been fitted with a proper wind suit to confront the expected conditions. Rupp is reportedly going to roll out with an aerodynamic body suit somewhat like a bobsledder's, but really more like the one Howard Stern wore in "Fart Man," complete with a thong piece for ease of dropping a deuce along the way or merely offloading flatulence. He will also wear his allergy bandit mask for maximal protection. Jordan's prototype kept wedging into her girl parts and it was too late to fix that glitch. Nike dropped the ball on this one.

:’(

Saw news!!! Hope she heals up and is able to race later this year. Still can’t wait to watch tomorrow!!!

Weldon, please keep digging on this. I would love to know what her contract with BAA states. In all honesty, it would be nice to understand the financial aspects of this sport altogether.

Luis-M-Guerra wrote:

Okay, Rojo, THAT'S just a dick move

I don't even get what crying jordan is. I just thought it kind of means she's mainstream. Trust me, I'm not getting texts when random 2:14 guy pulls out.

Can someone explain what it really means?