Informal poll: Is it the general opinion of this board that Usain Bolt is/was not clean?

He's always been the best. He was extremely fast when he started. He's had no reason to use drugs. Why would you cheat to be the best when you can very well be the best without cheating?

MurderDub wrote:

MelonHead wrote:

Informal poll: Is it the general opinion of this board that Usain Bolt is/was not clean?

Heart says he was clean, head won't allow it.

This is a ridiculous subject to discuss. No one on this board can do anything but speculate on the issue based not on facts but on their own pre-conceived notions, biases, etc. Read through the posts. How many are anything other than a statement of pre-existing beliefs, baldly stated prejudices against Jamaicans, inferences based on the performance and actions of people other than Bolt, and unfounded statements about what people are and are not capable of based on no empirical evidence whatsoever?

Everything you said one could say the same about his innocence. In the United States, it is guilty til proven innocent. He's yet to prove his innocence. He's only proven he is not guilty. Unfortunately, those are 2 different things in the US.

A lot of this post makes sense, but what evidence do you have that, for example, Britain has 'reaped the rewards of PEDs for decades'? Clearly Britain wasn't reaping the rewards of peds in the 90s when our best middle-distance runners, some of them world junior medalist or champions, were getting wiped out by doped up north Africans. Maybe you mean the Brit stars of the 80s? So at least 4 middle-distance Brit runners in the 80s (Coe, Ovett, Cram, Elliott) , all with different coaches, all decided to dope their heads off independently of each other to achieve success, yet come the 90s and the next generation were of such an ethical character to avoid the temptations of EPO?

Also, if the USA, UK, Canada etc wanted to stop 'poor countries' winning through peds, they could easily have done so by spending money on building and staffing proper labs in Kenya, with 2 or 3 in Iten alone, or even banned Kenya and Ethiopia as they did Russia (not a poor country).

Don't expect any Kenyans to run sub 1:43/3:30/12:55 this season :

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/article/2001276923/doping-anti-doping-agency-of-kenya-raids-eldoret-chemist

Is Usain Bolt on Steroids?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150905165210/http://www.muscleweek.com/is-usain-bolt-on-steroids

Excerpts from article:

“Bolt’s Coach is more of a Chemist than a Coach

According to the New York Times, Usain Bolt’s track coach Angel Hernandez has referred to himself as a chemist, scientist and nutritionist.”

“Here’s more from Usain’s ‘coach’ explaining his precise skill set as it applies to ‘coaching’ in that 2008 interview:

SPIEGEL: So you became a therapist for the athletes in matters of drugs?

Heredia: More like a coach. Together we found out what was good for which body and what the decomposition times were. I designed schedules for cocktails and regimens that depended on the money the athletes offered me. Street drugs for little money, designer drugs for tens of thousands. Usually I sent the drugs by mail, but sometimes the athletes came to me.”

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Usain Bolt Is Probably Doping (And You Know It)

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/08/12/bernstein-usain-bolt-is-probably-doping-and-you-know-it/

Excerpts from article:

“When people ask me about Bolt, I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time,” Carl Lewis told the Times of London. “But for someone to run 10.03 one year and 9.69 the next, if you don’t question that in a sport that has the reputation it has right now, you’re a fool. Period.”

“Anyone wasting words extolling the greatness of Usain Bolt should know better.”

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Is Usain Bolt clean?

http://sporton.sportsblog.com/posts/1178816/is_usain_bolt_clean_.html

Excerpt from article:

“JADCO, the Jamaican anti-doping agency, should be placed under heavy scrutiny, their out of competition testing methods and practises have been heavily criticised by the World anti-doping agency . . . As well as the aforementioned Blake and Powell other Jamaican athletes to fail drug controls in recent years have included two time Olympic champion Veronica Campbell-Brown and at the same Jamaican trials which Asafa Powell tested positive Sherone Simpson also fell foul of the doping controls.”

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Victor Conte claims many athletes used performance-enhancing drugs in preparation for 2012 London Olympics

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/victor-conte-claims-athletes-performance-enhancing-drugs-preparation-2012-london-olympics-article-1.1134190

Excerpt from article:

“Bolt, meanwhile, has worked recently with Angel Hernandez, the trainer formerly known as Angel (Memo) Heredia. Hernandez testified during Graham’s 2008 trial that he provided banned substances to disgraced Olympians Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and other athletes. In a 2008 interview with The New York Times, Hernandez acknowledged that he had helped clients use performance-enhancing drugs and avoid detection.”

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Was clean, if he was dirty we would have known it especially since he was beating US Americans.

Coevett wrote:

Don't expect any Kenyans to run sub 1:43/3:30/12:55 this season :

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/article/2001276923/doping-anti-doping-agency-of-kenya-raids-eldoret-chemist

"According to the anti-doping officials, it is believed that the chemist has been involved in the sale and injection of banned drugs to athletes commonly known as known as Erythropoeitin (EPO).

The agency chief executive officer Japhet Rugut who was at the scene said their involvement was as a result of a confession from an athlete who is currently facing Anti-Doping Rule Violation.

"We we are here because of information we received from an athlete who admitted after testing positive on the use of EPO a substance to enhance performance a move that led us to the chemist in question," Rugut said

No it can't be, they all have such strong minds.

Mind you how many more chemists like this are out there, and how many stockpiles are out there? Sounds like Jebet spilled the beans.

MurderDub wrote:

Ben L Wrong wrote:

After WADA put the eye in Jamaican JADCO board (2014, following the lack of OOC testing prior to London 2012) Bolt never ran faster than 9.77. And age isn't an excuse. He was 27/28.

Look at Yohan Blake. Former 9.69/19'26. Now is struggling to break 10 seconds.

The entire group of Glen Mills fell absurdly after 2014.

Bolt

Blake

Daniel Bailey

KBC

Jason Young

Warren Weir

Kerron Stewart

Mario Forsythe

Ricardo Chambers

Jermaine Gonzales

Etc, etc, etc...

Bolt fell off so absurdly he won double gold in Worlds and Olys after 2014.

:D haha

I like to assume an athlete is clean unless it is blatantly obvious/ very suspicious. If the progression of their times seems to not make sense then I question it. The main athlete I have questioned in recent years was Mahkloufi.

Coevett wrote:

Don't expect any Kenyans to run sub 1:43/3:30/12:55 this season :

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/article/2001276923/doping-anti-doping-agency-of-kenya-raids-eldoret-chemist

Good find there Coevett - you're on top of things. And just when I thought there was some hope for the Kenyans to clean up their act a little, something like this occurs. ?. The article makes reference to a Kenyan facing a doping violation who confessed - any idea who it is or is WADA still withholding the identity? ?

For those of you who want to know how it's done in today's ABP era, here's a good read. And for those who are already educated on this, it's probably redundant & less insightful.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/20/doping-world-athletics-championships-cheats

It's the sign of your inability to actually address the original point I made that you launch an ad hominem argument. I have no need to defend my mental capacity.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

wtfunny wrote:

No. He wasn't leading. He may have medaled, possibly, but he wasn't even in second place when he pulled up.

Correct, I'd agree with you. He could have gotten 3rd. There was a line of him and 4 others when he pulled up. He was on a par or just slightly slower than Gatlin and Gay, two known dopers. So these people with massive supernatural muscles doing unreal times, Bolt has these massive muscles, running really fast but somehow he is the only clean one.

I went back to re-watch the race to see if my memory had failed me. He still looks like he was leading (out of Lane 1, at 6'5" at 19, no less) to me. If not, he was in second behind Gatlin when he began to pull up. Not sure how he made it out of the turn in that position at his height...

Anyway, I actually agree that if he had finished he probably wouldn't have won (but probably would have medaled) because of the lane draw, but, given that, his performance was easily the most impressive among the competitors. He would've won out of a middle lane if he had finished.

Not

He probably is, which really sucks.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

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Look at Yohan Blake. Former 9.69/19'26. Now is struggling to break 10 seconds. ..

Do some research and try to find the head on video of his injury and tell me it's not amazing he's anywhere near breaking 10 today. He's lucky he's running at all.

To be honest I always found these 100m guys like Bolt & Lewis hilarious.

I mean these guys are attempting to run for (what - approx) 10 seconds faster than EVERY other human on the planet who has also trained for years to run 10 seconds faster than anyone else.

Yet, through what - more effort / "amazing" genetics, they were able to do so to such a better degree that within that 10 seconds they had time to look around / start waving at the crowd / whatever! It always was, and still is, utterly hilarious.

But really - it's great sports "entertainment". If the seal masses are enjoying it, clapping along like utter baffoons, then what's the real harm? We should be celebrating these showmen. After all they're bringing a lot of the bread to the athletics table...

If 2-10 are doping and 1 does it but isnt caught is it really cheating?

Don't be so naive folks these athletes all juice it up and its a lesser deal than you think when they all do it. Gotta pop an athlete every so often to look like youre doing due diligence and selling a clean sport.

^This. Lots of newbies or fanbois posting here, trying to tell themselves their heroes are/were clean.