Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?

trackislife12 wrote:

Well, they didn’t anticipate a small group of rebels being able to beat the worlds largest army.

Don't forget, France was a huge ally, and helped America win the war......France lent america tons of money, which america refused to pay back in the end, which led to a small war between france and america.

Did you know that when Harry and Meghan have a kid, theoretically that kid could become both king/queen AND POTUS at the same time?

Finally, the empire's dastardly plan is realised.

basic 7th grade history wrote:

Dur wrote:

It's especially annoying when Canadians say they won the war of 1812 when 1. They weren't a nation yet, and 2. They were still British, and they lost.

Yes, we were still British. No, we did not lose. The Americans thought it was “a mere matter of marching” to take over the British colonies that grew into what is now Canada. It did not happen. The boundaries were restored to their original order, the U.S. gained nothing. The British military, Loyalist militia AND native forces defended their land and the U.S. did not achieve their goal. Please explain how that is losing.

Britain's goal was to retake the American colonies. They didn't. Ergo, Britain lost. The colonies of future Canada were British. Ergo, Canada lost.

Sore-ry, you loser hoser. You lost.

You are wrong and I will show it wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Also, america is so different than the other colonies that the British owned. There is no reflection or residue of any form that we used to be a british colony. The queen is still head of state of Canada and Australia, and you can still see that british connection. But nothing english carried over in america, not the accent, not the culture, nothing. The only way you would know that we used to be an english colony is by reading about it.

Led Zep IV was in the US album charts for FOUR YEARS.

Great that the US kicked the living crap out of the English chimps.

F U C K E N G L AN D wrote:

You are wrong and I will show it wrote:

Led Zep IV was in the US album charts for FOUR YEARS.

Great that the US kicked the living crap out of the English chimps.

+1

Yeah...and then a century & half later we had to bail them out of World War 2.

Britain's goal was to retake the American colonies. They didn't. Ergo, Britain lost. The colonies of future Canada were British. Ergo, Canada lost.

Sore-ry, you loser hoser. You lost.[/quote]

Sorry, you are wrong. The U.S. initiated the war, so Britain was not trying to ‘retake’ anything. They were defending. Perhaps, once they were engaged they had visions of retaking colonies, but I have never read that anywhere, and firmly believe you are just spewing rubbish for the sake of being a dick. The U.S. objective of taking control of Upper and Lower Canada was not realized, hence the U.S. failed. The British defended their colonies and the Americans withdrew. All previous forts and boundaries were restored.

If you can provide any link to your theory of ‘retaking colonies’ please do so. Until then I will assume you are full of crap.

Cheerio.

Kate is part Asian and so cute. She's part Norman/French who were back in the day conquered by the Huns / Chinese. Great for optics.

Everyone knows that Darth Vader was very unhappy about the rebel alliance.

C'mon man!...what's up this? The pretentious Japanese went way overboard by the evil attacking of Pearl Harbor! - which actually was a colossal failure since none of the our carriers were docked at the harbor at the time.

A few months later the Japanese Imperial Navy got a taste of American power & might at the Battle of the Coral Sea. ☝️ Then came Midway where the greatest naval battle occur in the history of warfare where we annihilated the JIN by sinking 4 of their carriers while losing only one of our ours! The game was over at that point and we flushed them out of the South Pacific with a crushing victories at Guadalcanal and Iwa Jimo!

The real sad thing is that Japanese were too damn stubborn & prideful to unconditionally surrender when they were already badly defeated and we had to drop two atom bombs on them. ?

Dur wrote:

basic 7th grade history wrote:

Yes, we were still British. No, we did not lose. The Americans thought it was “a mere matter of marching” to take over the British colonies that grew into what is now Canada. It did not happen. The boundaries were restored to their original order, the U.S. gained nothing. The British military, Loyalist militia AND native forces defended their land and the U.S. did not achieve their goal. Please explain how that is losing.

Britain's goal was to retake the American colonies. They didn't. Ergo, Britain lost. The colonies of future Canada were British. Ergo, Canada lost.

Sore-ry, you loser hoser. You lost.

Every single history book disagrees with you.

Canada was afraid that massive waves of non-English speaking peoples would overwhelm the English speaking majority. As we now know, a completely unfounded idea.

alanson wrote:

Canada was afraid that massive waves of non-English speaking peoples would overwhelm the English speaking majority. As we now know, a completely unfounded idea.

Alanson, you write about Canada is if they were a separate authority 1770s to 1810s. Canada was a territory of UK. White terrorists settlers in now US, 1770s to 1810s were too unruly for UK to tame. What would happen if the settlers were given the right to vote? What would said village idiots do with the right to vote? Fast forward 206 years from 1812. Look at the clowns in US House of Representatives.

Let’s clear up this WW2 thing first. By the mid 1930s FDRs New Deal policy was failing. A small recession in 1936 plus the Supreme Court striking down his ND legislation (AAA and NIRA) had FDR very concerned that the US would not pull out of the depression. Personally if you read the memos from FDR he wanted a war but politically in 36 and 40 war was suicide. Americans were still very isolationist post WW1 and more Americans in 36 wanted domestic issues like the depression to be solved first. Even by 38 and 39 FDR did not lift the immigration quotas that would have allowed more Jews into the country... (keep in mind the Jews by 38/39 were being persecuted) instead FDR allowed them to stay stuck in Europe... a political decision that at the time was met by resistance by Jewish Americans. However, by late 1940 the US began to take steps to help out its closest allies in the form of war material... hence Cash and Carry and Lend Lease. By late 1940, the US along with the Dutch had imposed sanctions on the Japanese for atrocities committed in China and Manchuria... those sanctions included an embargo that cut off Japans oil supply... hence the attack on Pearl Harbor in Dec of 41.

Meanwhile in Europe, France had capitulated in June of 40 and it looked bleak for the allied forces in Europe. Britain had survived by the skin of its teeth at Dunkirk and fortress Europe looked impervious to allied attacks. The blunder by Hitler to invade Russia in 42 was probably the fatal mistake (a two front ear is never good)that combined with US entry and subsiquent invasion of North Africa, Sicily, and Normandy by June of 44 all but left Germany dead to rights.

And to the OP, the American's didn't care about representation in parliament. What they wanted was to steal land from the Indians, which the king had outlawed after the French and Indian war to avoid further trouble.

Now for the US and Britain in the late 18th century. You have to realize that since Jamestown in 1607 Britain has essentially used the colonies as a cash cow for its mercantilist policies. By the late 18th century the colonies thanks to the first great awakening were beginning to question not only their church but the govt across the pond. Britain, post French and Indian war had sustained massive war debts and desperately needed money to repay these debts... hence the stamp act and sugar act. Keep in mind, Britain did not want to give more rights to the colonies by the 1770s... they looked at the colonies as a pure cash cow... not as an up and coming nation. Hence why Parliament didn’t allow for colonial representation. When the colonists rebelled, Britain was concerned their source of revenue would be cut and so they sent troops to secure it. However, a long, guerrilla war later, Britain was defeated.

Remember, that colonial resentment had been brewing long before 1776. Vets of the F and I War had been promised land in the Ohio River valley but when Britain passed the Proc Act of 1763, those vets felt betrayed ( One of them you might know: Washington).

At the same time British neglect of the colonies from 1700-50 had really hurt their ability to enforce any laws on the colonist. So when Parliament decided to pass these taxes on the colonists, the colonists were pissed. Why? Cause for the last 50 plus years Britain had ignored them. The idea of no taxation without rep was not a new idea but spread like wild fire throughout the colonies when John Dickinson’s Letter from a Pennsylvania Farmer #1 came out in the 1760s... this combined with Paines Commen Sense made colonists furious. The keg was ready to explode, all it needed was a spark. That spark came in the form of the Boston Massacre and then BOOM... from there it was Game ON! Hopefully this clears some of the history up...

World History buff wrote:

From what I read, GB was not a country when their refugees landed at Jamestown and Plymouth Rock. GB was a island with primitive human-like beasts, tree people, cave dwellers, and fully naked barbarians. Granted 2-3% of the population was civilized and could read the Holy Bible. The remainder sadly lived sordid, pitiful, animalistic lives. Infant mortality was 98%. Few lived until puberty. GB was an island of children.

Lol

The 13 colonies occupied 360,000 square miles. Great Britain occupied 86,000 square mile. The 13 colonies were directly connected to a virtually unoccupied landmass of untapped resources. Great Britain was cut off from mainland Europe by the English Channel and separated from the American colonies by over 3,500 miles of ocean.

There was not a compelling economic, political, or cultural reason for the 13 colonies to remain under British control. So they didn't.

World History buff wrote:

From what I read, GB was not a country when their refugees landed at Jamestown and Plymouth Rock. GB was a island with primitive human-like beasts, tree people, cave dwellers, and fully naked barbarians. Granted 2-3% of the population was civilized and could read the Holy Bible. The remainder sadly lived sordid, pitiful, animalistic lives. Infant mortality was 98%. Few lived until puberty. GB was an island of children.

LOL. “Fully naked barbarians” indeed. Make sure we know they were not “partially naked.”