Ryan Hall starts elite training group in Flagstaff! Expect great things.

Seriously James - get a life.

FOUND IT!

Wow! This is crazy!

Isn't Deena's group Asics? Can't imagine that Asics would sponsor two groups.

Just because you ran fast, doesn't mean you know how to coach. This is going to be a prime example.

Hall is a moron.

I feel bad for the athletes who join that group.

Cool. That's the circuit-of-long-distance-champions - Flagstaff, Boulder, Big Bear, Mojave, Sedona, Mammoth, Colorado Springs, Albuquerque, San Diego.

Have to wait and see wrote:

ppppppppulllease wrote:

Great things? I dont think being trained by the a super talented and insanely inconsistent former elite will turn out that well.

Being a great athlete rarely translates into being a great coach, but there are exceptions. It would be fantastica if Ryan did turn out to be a great coach. He and his wife seem like very nice people and having another professional running team with a great coach would only be good for the sport. I hope it works out for him and his team. Good luck!

That's because most great athletes are incredibly narcissistic. That's the difference, the Halls are clearly not. They possess the kindness and empathy to reach an array of athletes combined with the experience to know how to guide their progress. I like their odds, they'll do far better than the garden variety washed-up has-beens who think they can and should coach.

red glare wrote:

Have to wait and see wrote:

Being a great athlete rarely translates into being a great coach, but there are exceptions. It would be fantastica if Ryan did turn out to be a great coach. He and his wife seem like very nice people and having another professional running team with a great coach would only be good for the sport. I hope it works out for him and his team. Good luck!

That's because most great athletes are incredibly narcissistic. That's the difference, the Halls are clearly not. They possess the kindness and empathy to reach an array of athletes combined with the experience to know how to guide their progress. I like their odds, they'll do far better than the garden variety washed-up has-beens who think they can and should coach.

What does kindness have to do with being a great coach? I've met top level coaches who are great people and top level coaches who are jerks. Ive come to the conclusion it is pretty far down on the list of attributes important for a coach to succeed.

He's doing decently at coaching his wife. That is promising, but there is certainly a big difference between coaching a spouse and any other athlete.

He quit on the high school team he was coaching starting this past fall, so that isn't to good of a sign. Combined with his extreme inconsistency as an athlete, you have to start to wonder if that is just his personality. Am inconsistent coach is a great way to kill a pro team before it even starts.

Is God coaching the group?

Sure, just like Asics sponsors just one individual pro runner ?

bleu wrote:

Isn't Deena's group Asics? Can't imagine that Asics would sponsor two groups.

red glare wrote:

That's because most great athletes are incredibly narcissistic. That's the difference, the Halls are clearly not. They possess the kindness and empathy to reach an array of athletes combined with the experience to know how to guide their progress. I like their odds, they'll do far better than the garden variety washed-up has-beens who think they can and should coach.

I've had the privilege of being coached by a couple of great coaches and spent substantial time talking to some great coaches like Jack Daniels, Bob Larsen and Joe Vigil, among others. I also have run with Ryan Hall, Sara Bei Hall and some of their team mates. The two of them are very nice people, but not what I would call the brightest bulbs in the GE lineup. The great coaches I have seen and trained with have both a certain innate ability to tell how hard their athletes are pushing themselves in workouts and what I would call a "lack of mercy" in pushing their athletes to their limits in training. I have seen neither of these skills in Ryan Hall. He may have experience in training at a high level, but I don't see him having the ability to translate that into motivating others to train to the limit of their abilities.

bleu wrote:

Isn't Deena's group Asics? Can't imagine that Asics would sponsor two groups.

I mean they also sponsor Furman Elite...

Not to mention Nike sponsors plenty of groups, Brooks sponsors a handful, adidas sponsors a bunch... etc.

That's not a middle school training regime. Notice the date. Hana could have been completing her sophomore year in high school.