I'm starting med school this summer and can't wait to get my super short medical student white coat. Embracing the symbols of each step in training (coat length) is good, you will be forever depressed if you label yourself as an inferior person compared to those with "longer coats", for they will always exist.
Rojo, I bet you were really cool in high school.
rojo wrote:
And another tradition is thrown out the window.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-short-white-coat-20180328-story.htmlB Sun wrote wrote:
Generations of first-year residents at Johns Hopkins Hospital have worn a short white coat as they made rounds and treated patients.
The coat was different than the the longer style the other residents wore. It was meant to symbolize a year of learning — that residents were not true physicians until they spent some time on the job caring for patients.
But starting with the newest class of residents in Hopkins’ Osler Medical Training Program, the short white coat will be retired. A younger generation of residents increasingly found the short coat offensive and said it unnecessarily distinguished them from the other residents.
As complaints about the coat length crescendoed each year, the head of the oldest resident program in the country thought it best to give up the tradition.
Residents at John Hopkins need to get over themselves. They are not fully functional doctors.............yet. That takes much more on the job training and experience. Got to pay your dues first, even if it means wearing a silly short white coat. Maybe they would like to just skip the residency program altogether, go straight to heart surgery or whatever their area of interest is. Proctology perhaps. Snowflake is an apt description.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
rojo wrote:
And another tradition is thrown out the window.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-short-white-coat-20180328-story.htmlOOPS made a boo boo thats been corrected:
Residents at John Hopkins need to get over themselves. They are not fully functional doctors.............yet. That takes much more on the job training and experience. Got to pay your dues first, even if it means wearing a silly short white coat. Maybe they would like to just skip the internship program altogether, go straight to heart surgery or whatever their area of interest is. Proctology perhaps. Snowflake is an apt description.
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
celery wrote:
Nice try attempting to re-appropriating the term "snowflake." But we all know what a snowflake is. It is someone who is offended by the very existence of competence hierarchies, not simply someone who disagrees with other's opinion. If "snowflake" simply meant someone who disagrees with someone else, then we are all snowflakes, and the term looses all meaning.
BTW, I wasn't talking about a simple disagreement. You can disagree with the things I mentioned, but the snowflake's response is not just to disagree, but to express excessive outrage.
Let's take the lab coat thing, for example. It was unclear to me if the residents just expressed that it was a stupid tradition, and the director agreed and changed it (not snowflakes). Or if they expressed outrage and whined about it (snowflakes). But it's clear what Rojo is doing. He's expressing outrage and whining about it (snowflake).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)According to wikipedia a snowflake is a person who:
- has an inflated sense of their own uniqueness
- has an unwarranted sense of entitlement
- is easily offended and unable to deal with opposing opinions
I don't think the residents meet criteria #1. We could debate whether they meet #2. There's not enough information to determine #3.
I could read that Wikipedia article you posted...but I'm not going to. I guess you have a strong opinion on what the definition of "snowflake" really means. And I'll assume that the "authoritative" citation of Wikipedia proves that it has to do with having a strong emotion reaction to opposing opinions. Ok.
What's not clear is that Rojo is "expressing outrage," or is just pointing out something he disagrees with. Oh wait, are you actually a mind reader? Quick, tell me what I will write next...
The author asserts that the short coats were considered to be "offensive," but no evidence is presented that any actual resident made such a complaint. It sounds like the institution just decided that it was time for a change in their uniforms to keep up with the times, and a bunch of LRers are reading a whole lot into that decision.
erik wrote:
I think it's stupid that anyone would really feel demeaned in intern year for the short coat.
It's even weirder because Hopkins traditionally admits relatively fewer "straight throughs" (undergrad->med school->residency) to residency/med school than other hospitals. They favor more mature trainees, who you'd would be over the whole give me respect thing.
FWIW, short coats are traditionally for medical students, not doctors. Which might be confusing for patients who know that tradition. I'd personally be confused if I were being treated by a resident in a short coat, because I'd think they were in med school and would wonder where supervising physician is. If you work/get care in a teaching hospital the coat length is a pretty quick way to figure out who is who. That seems like a reasonable reason to give up a stupid tradition, but not because people felt like they didn't get the respect they deserved.
I like what they do in iowa where i live now. All doctors name tags say DOCTOR. If people are in training (residents, fellows), it says DOCTOR in yellow. For attendings it's white. Makes it very clear for patients.
Surprise surprise. The LRcom "web guy" sucking up to his boss. Are you the guy who keeps deleting post that suggest Rojo is thin skinned? Do you see the irony?
Does Rojo use the term "cuk" or 'beta" when insulting his staff?
reading into the situation wrote:
The author asserts that the short coats were considered to be "offensive," but no evidence is presented that any actual resident made such a complaint. It sounds like the institution just decided that it was time for a change in their uniforms to keep up with the times, and a bunch of LRers are reading a whole lot into that decision.
That may well be...........but medical schools are often stepped in tradition, so I doubt it. In any event, its a lot to do about nothing thats life threatening.
This, 100%. As many other doctors have already said (and many people seem to be ignoring), no one really about the white coat length in medicine. Most places have done away with short coats except for Med students...that way the patient and other staff can differentiate student vs resident/housestaff. The appropriate hierarchy will exist regardless of coat length.
That SMTC SOB guy that posted...I don’t think he’s a doctor unless he’s trolling. No physician would actually care about this.
Was Rojo just trying to troll everyone?
Yo Nickey wrote:
Surprise surprise. The LRcom "web guy" sucking up to his boss. Are you the guy who keeps deleting post that suggest Rojo is thin skinned? Do you see the irony?
Does Rojo use the term "cuk" or 'beta" when insulting his staff?
To answer your questions:
- no
- no
- no
If I didn't make myself clear, I actually support the change.
My read on this article is that it probably overstates how much the "snowflake" complaints mattered to the actual decision. See this sentence:
They viewed it as a pejorative and worried patients would think they weren’t quite ready to give them proper medical care.
Notice the double-barreled reason. Residents feeling demeaned is a different thing from worrying that patients wouldn't think they that residents were ready to give them proper medical care.
I think it's totally legit to get rid of an institution that undermines both doctor and patient confidence in the medical care being provided. The reality of teaching hospital care is that many of the day-to-day decisions are made by residents. It's not good to group actual doctors making medical decisions (residents) with medical students, who are learning and not in charge of patients.
I can't read the administrators' minds, but my guess is that they saw the tradition as having only possible negatives when it comes to actual care provided (this is also my view), and so they canned it. Because quality of care matters more than tradition.
I'm guessing the questions the Sun asked and the way they reported it emphasize the hurt feelings perspective of this story, because the Sun is basically a rag now. I doubt concern of residents' feelings is why the decision was actually made, because that is in fact kind of stupid, and most Hopkins administrators are not very stupid. (Most.)
Fwiw, my loyalty to Hopkins is stronger than to Robert. My wife trained there and i'm a grad. Robert has always been pleasant to work with
Oh, don't mind my great uncle Robert, he's just old and "misses the good old days." He's just from a different time
Welcome to Letsrun wrote:
Oh, don't mind my great uncle Robert, he's just old and "misses the good old days." He's just from a different time
Lol. +1
I don't get why a founder of this website created this thread. You throw a word like snowflake into the title and it becomes a hot thread. Ya'll only care about clicks (translation: $).
also known as a just another day on the LR MB
reading into the situation wrote:
........................, and a bunch of LRers are reading a whole lot into that decision.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
OOPS made a boo boo thats been corrected:
Residents at John Hopkins need to get over themselves. They are not fully functional doctors.............yet. That takes much more on the job training and experience. Got to pay your dues first, even if it means wearing a silly short white coat. Maybe they would like to just skip the internship program altogether, go straight to heart surgery or whatever their area of interest is. Proctology perhaps. Snowflake is an apt description.
Proctology isn't a medical specialty dumbfvck
When someone uses the term "snowflake" you know they are a moron, and probably the real "snowflake" (in the way they envision the term being used). The irony is not lost on everybody else that has a brain. Does it impact you? No? Then you are the snowflake for worrying about it.
You constantly complain about the world like a 13 year old who thinks every action is a direct attack on your way of life, diva. Get over yourself, rojoflake.
https://lacolon.com/blog/colon-and-rectal-surgeon-proctologist-or-gastroenterologist-is-there-a-differencemichael furey wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Proctology isn't a medical specialty dumbfvck
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
https://lacolon.com/blog/colon-and-rectal-surgeon-proctologist-or-gastroenterologist-is-there-a-differencemichael furey wrote:
Proctology isn't a medical specialty dumbfvck
Read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorectal_surgeryThis whole thread testifies to the emotional insecurity of most of the participants, led by the most insecure ego of all: the person who titled the thread with "Snowflake."
The self-loathing and self-importance of the OP guides the discussion into 'us' vs. 'them' and ensures everyone knows that "we" are the good and powerful, while "the others" are to be dismissed as whiners. Some would say--I am saying--that the world did not make progress in medicine or anything else by calling names at those who challenge tradition.
Thank you, Rojo, for a little snapshot of the illness infecting all of America today.
Why do libs hate the past thinking new is so great?
LetsEatDoughnutsInstead wrote:
When someone uses the term "snowflake" you know they are a moron, and probably the real "snowflake" (in the way they envision the term being used). The irony is not lost on everybody else that has a brain. Does it impact you? No? Then you are the snowflake for worrying about it.
You constantly complain about the world like a 13 year old who thinks every action is a direct attack on your way of life, diva. Get over yourself, rojoflake.
Not to be too outdone by Eskimos, American Indians reportedly had over 30 words for snowflakes. And they also had warriors. Maybe they were the forerunners of today's social justice warriors.
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