Snowflake 1st year medical residents complain having to wear shorter lab coat is "offensive", Johns Hopkins agrees!!

Mid-levels and random hospital employees have started wearing the long white coats because they don't think it's fair for doctors to be the only ones who get to wear the things, so honestly, the short coat/long coat distinction doesn't mean much anymore. When you see a long white coat in the hospital, the wearer could be a physician, or they could be the high school graduate who picks up samples for the lab.

At my old stupid hospital, med students wore short white coats, resident physicians wore long blue coats and physicians wore long grey coats. But then housestaff wanted to be "the same" and all of them got long white coats. Housestaff wore patches on their shoulders.

Rojo, how about you go to four years of medical school and then do well enough to get a Hopkins residency, then tell us how these people are snowflakes for wanting to be respected as physicians (albeit who are still learning). They are the opposite of entitled. They have spent four years in the books and on the wards, often at the expense of having active social and family lives. I would say they have earned the right to wear whatever they want.

NPs and PAs wear these coats with far less training. If anyone should be wearing short coats it is them.

Observerer wrote:

Rojo, how about you go to four years of medical school and then do well enough to get a Hopkins residency, then tell us how these people are snowflakes for wanting to be respected as physicians (albeit who are still learning). They are the opposite of entitled. They have spent four years in the books and on the wards, often at the expense of having active social and family lives. I would say they have earned the right to wear whatever they want.

NPs and PAs wear these coats with far less training. If anyone should be wearing short coats it is them.

An intern hasn't earned $hit. They don't know what they don't know. I want to slap the smugness off the kid in the middle. Looking forward to his rotation at Shock Trauma.

Ah, yes, disparage up and coming doctors for showing any hint of satisfaction at their grueling day job. Way to M A G A.

I'm going to petition the military to do away with wearing ranks. I am offended that I only get to wear NCO chevron while commissioned officers get to wear cool things like oak leaves and stars. I am offended; we are all in the military so it offends me that we can't all look the same.

Most residency programs did away with this a long time ago anyway. Only Med students wear short coats these days. The other poster is right, everyone (even ancillary staff) wear long coats. This is really not a big deal and nobody in the hospital really cares. The problem is mainly if you are a patient , you may have no idea who your doctor actually is.

It's disturbing that millennials think that short coats are demeaning. It's also disturbing that Johns Hopkins caved in to this childish request.

Perhaps interns should have to wear beanies with propellers on top to differentiate themselves from licensed physicians?

Observerer wrote:

Rojo, how about you go to four years of medical school and then do well enough to get a Hopkins residency, then tell us how these people are snowflakes for wanting to be respected as physicians (albeit who are still learning). They are the opposite of entitled. They have spent four years in the books and on the wards, often at the expense of having active social and family lives. I would say they have earned the right to wear whatever they want.

NPs and PAs wear these coats with far less training. If anyone should be wearing short coats it is them.

No way would they ever get accepted at JHU med school

Observerer wrote:

Rojo, how about you go to four years of medical school and then do well enough to get a Hopkins residency, then tell us how these people are snowflakes for wanting to be respected as physicians (albeit who are still learning). They are the opposite of entitled. They have spent four years in the books and on the wards, often at the expense of having active social and family lives. I would say they have earned the right to wear whatever they want.

NPs and PAs wear these coats with far less training. If anyone should be wearing short coats it is them.

Holy crap, what an idiot.

I used to think this was a message board poster problem, but you're seriously a bad person for a lot of the posts you put up, Rojo. Well done.

THis is nothing new wrote:

Most residency programs did away with this a long time ago anyway. Only Med students wear short coats these days. The other poster is right, everyone (even ancillary staff) wear long coats. This is really not a big deal and nobody in the hospital really cares. The problem is mainly if you are a patient , you may have no idea who your doctor actually is.

Well soon med students will be complaining...

Yeehaw bully wrote:

Observerer wrote:

Rojo, how about you go to four years of medical school and then do well enough to get a Hopkins residency, then tell us how these people are snowflakes for wanting to be respected as physicians (albeit who are still learning). They are the opposite of entitled. They have spent four years in the books and on the wards, often at the expense of having active social and family lives. I would say they have earned the right to wear whatever they want.

NPs and PAs wear these coats with far less training. If anyone should be wearing short coats it is them.

No way would they ever get accepted at JHU med school

+1 friend went to JHU for his residency, I think he was doing 80 hour weeks and pulling all-nighters "on call." Funny they call these people "snowflakes." People who are educated and make a lot of $$$ do get labelled this way, not sure if it is because they are confused with SJW?

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Observerer wrote:

Rojo, how about you go to four years of medical school and then do well enough to get a Hopkins residency, then tell us how these people are snowflakes for wanting to be respected as physicians (albeit who are still learning). They are the opposite of entitled. They have spent four years in the books and on the wards, often at the expense of having active social and family lives. I would say they have earned the right to wear whatever they want.

NPs and PAs wear these coats with far less training. If anyone should be wearing short coats it is them.

Holy crap, what an idiot.

Thanks for the careful point by point critique of where I went wrong.

In the current culture where basically everyone but the janitor wears a long coat, the idea that first year residents (who actually earned an MD) should have to somehow be singled out from mid level practitioners and second/third year residents is asinine.

The problem isn't that millenials are snowflakes much more than previous generations. The problem is that now a days no one is willing to stand up to them. No one has the balls to stand up against the "victim" so now more and more the victims run the world.

This is what you get in a country where lawyers outnumber doctors.

Grow some balls wrote:

The problem isn't that millenials are snowflakes much more than previous generations. The problem is that now a days no one is willing to stand up to them. No one has the balls to stand up against the "victim" so now more and more the victims run the world.

that's BS. Instead of address them personally or going to the Hospital Rojo just started a thread on it. That will show them!!!!

You may be right.

However my point is that this trend precedes ‘snowflake millennials’

Working at a top tier academic hospital, I see this kind of d*ck measuring all the time. It's almost always a waste of human capital and resources; luckily there is a good litmus test I've learned from the best docs. There's only one thing that matters and should be up for debate: Does this improve patient care? Here are the quotes regarding patients from the article:

The coat was different than the the longer style the other residents wore. It was meant to symbolize a year of learning — that residents were not true physicians until they spent some time on the job caring for patients.

Coat length = hierarchal d*ck measuring. We knew this.

They (residents) viewed it as a pejorative and worried patients would think they weren’t quite ready to give them proper medical care.

Coat length = thinly veiled resident d*ck measuring and concern for patients. Arguable, but irrelevant.

At the end of the day, the length of a coat doesn’t contribute all that much to treatment of patients and isn’t a core value at Hopkins, Anderson (Dr. Mark Anderson, director of the department of medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and physician-in-chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital) and others said.

Bingo. It doesn't matter. Also, being a doctor does not mean you can't be a snowflake, especially a young doctor. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not worked closely with docs... some of them are very legitimate but a lot are grade A morans.