NAU sub 14 guys

YGvvgyggyggy wrote:

Vftvvftfvt wrote:

Where can one find the NCAA stats for 1978 and 1979?

I call BS. I looked at the NCAA championship results for 1978 and 1979.

The only Oregon runner to finish in the top 8 was Rudy Chapa. Winning time in 1978 was 13:35 (Chapa) and 8th place was 13:57. I doubt very much that 7 other Oregon guys ran sub 14 that year AND none of them placed top 8.

Same in 1979. Winning time was 13:20 (Maree). Only top 8 Oregon runner was Chapa (2nd in 13:25). 8th place was 14:07. Again, what are the odds that none of the other 7 Oregon runners placed top 8?

The sub 14 guys may have been running other events like 1500, steeple and 10,000.

Off the top of my head they had Rudy Chapa, Bill McChesney, Al Salazar, Ken Martin, Don Clary, Jim Hill, Greg Erwin and Art Boileau.

Oregon had four sub 28 10k guys in late 70s.

Ok, Chapa, McChesney, Clary, Martin and Salazar were all there in 1978 and 1979. How fast was McChesney as a freshman in 1978?

Hill arrived in Oregon in 1980

However Centro was a senior in 1978.

Not sure that you get eight here.

There are 231 collegiate runners in Japan who run 13:45. There are 0 who can run 13:40.

Erwin was in HS in 1979.

...and how fast was Boileau in 1978?

4:10 online, 5:40 on the track wrote:

There are 231 collegiate runners in Japan who run 13:45. There are 0 who can run 13:40.

Only a slight exaggeration. Their collegiate talent is concentrated at fewer schools, so they have had teams with 10+ sub 14:00 guys. See:

Tokai with 11:

AGU with 12:

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

NAU now has 6 sub 14:00 guys. Has any team had that many before?

Luis Grijalva just ran 13:49

Tyler Day just ran 13:40

Andy Trouard has run 13:36

Matt Baxter has run 13:44

Geordie Beamish has run 13:53

Cory glines has run 13:58

Plus Peter Lomong who just ran 3:39 and finished 8th in XC. Could be 7 under by end of season

Lomong hasn't ever run a 3:39.

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

NAU now has 6 sub 14:00 guys. Has any team had that many before?

Luis Grijalva just ran 13:49

Tyler Day just ran 13:40

Andy Trouard has run 13:36

Matt Baxter has run 13:44

Geordie Beamish has run 13:53

Cory glines has run 13:58

Plus Peter Lomong who just ran 3:39 and finished 8th in XC. Could be 7 under by end of season

BYU has 6 right now as well. Plus a few that are just off.

Rory Linkletter 13:41

Danny Carny 13:41

Clayton Young 13:45

Connor McMillan 13:46

Dallin Farnsworth 13:53

Clayson Shumway 13:54

Conner Mantz 14:01

Jacob Heslington 14:09

Simliar, slight edge to NAU

NAU

Andy Trouard 13:36

Tyler Day 13:40

Matt Baxter 13:44

Luis Grijlava 13:49

Blaise Ferro 13:51

Geordie Beamish 13:53

Cory Glines 13:58

Peter Lomong 14:09

BYU

Rory Linkletter 13:41

Danny Carny 13:41

Clayton Young 13:45

Connor McMillan 13:46

Dallin Farnsworth 13:53

Clayson Shumway 13:54

Conner Mantz 14:01

Jacob Heslington 14:09

It is amazing to see these statistics. There are probably 1000 colleges in the US with some type of distance program and only 30 or so even have 1 guy who can break 14 minutes. These teams have 7?!

Wisconsin during Teg & Solinksy years may have had 7+. They had 6 sub-14s in one race at UW back in 2005.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5434284

Let's add one more runner to the discussion. I know we didn't get a 5k time for Casey this year but if he were to run one right now how fast could he do it.

4-5 months off of cross country training, Casey Clinger steps into the track for a collegiate 5k in Japan and busts out a 14:20.

Over? Under?

Update as of last night

https://twitter.com/JarredCornfield/status/987341529474727936

BYU

Linkletter - 13:37.98

McMillan - 13:38.88

Carney - 13:39.95

Young - 13:45.25

Mantz - 13:52.12

Farnsworth - 13:53.38

Shumway - 13:54.71

Heslington - 14:01.67

McLelland - 14:15.38

Can we get a duel meet between these two teams and just have them run a 5K? Yes I know NAU blasted them in XC and the same thing will probably happen next year but this hypothetical XC scored meet in a 5K on the track seems fascinating to me.

It’s really just academic. Any team that wins Xc has that many sub 14 runners. They may not actually run the race. So the fact that this team has the race times to back it up is interesting, it is not a sign of a historically dominant team.

He Bought It at Jarred's wrote:

Update as of last night

https://twitter.com/JarredCornfield/status/987341529474727936

BYU

Linkletter - 13:37.98

McMillan - 13:38.88

Carney - 13:39.95

Young - 13:45.25

Mantz - 13:52.12

Farnsworth - 13:53.38

Shumway - 13:54.71

Heslington - 14:01.67

McLelland - 14:15.38

Can we get a duel meet between these two teams and just have them run a 5K? Yes I know NAU blasted them in XC and the same thing will probably happen next year but this hypothetical XC scored meet in a 5K on the track seems fascinating to me.

Soren Knudsen ran 14:03 unattached at the same meet. It'll be interesting whether or not he comes back.

The Starved Elephant wrote:

He Bought It at Jarred's wrote:

Update as of last night

https://twitter.com/JarredCornfield/status/987341529474727936

BYU

Linkletter - 13:37.98

McMillan - 13:38.88

Carney - 13:39.95

Young - 13:45.25

Mantz - 13:52.12

Farnsworth - 13:53.38

Shumway - 13:54.71

Heslington - 14:01.67

McLelland - 14:15.38

Can we get a duel meet between these two teams and just have them run a 5K? Yes I know NAU blasted them in XC and the same thing will probably happen next year but this hypothetical XC scored meet in a 5K on the track seems fascinating to me.

Soren Knudsen ran 14:03 unattached at the same meet. It'll be interesting whether or not he comes back.

On 10 weeks running and in flats...

At this point in the outdoor season

5 NAU guys have sub 14 performances

3 for Oregon

3 for Arkansas

Note: BYU only have one at this point, but that's not how the season will end.

Trouard will obviously do it, but I am not sure about the other three NAU guys. Glines (indoor season best was 14:33 and we have not seen him outdoor), Shea (14:08 was a PB for him, can he cut another 9 seconds?) and Lomong (he only ran 14:10 in his last 5000m. Not sure if he will trying another one)

If you are going to add Arkansas

Alabama also has 3 sub 14:00

Kiprop 13:37

Kigen 13:40

Chelanaga 13:42

Not even mentioning what these 3 have done in the 10k.

BYU and NAU are on another level that is for sure. More depth and top times in the 5000m than anywhere else in the Country. Colorado State and Oregon are also up there. But luckily for Alabama, Arkansas and Oregon. They don't give out the NCAA National Outdoor Team Title 5000m.