Fantastic / Must read NY Times expose on the use of peptides as a PED. The NFL let tons of abusers go scot-free.

Does anyone know if Peptides are a) illegal or b) against anti-doping rules?

I think I may start my own supplement company.

rojo wrote:

To the guy who has no more free articles left, just open up an incognito browser and you are good to go. Or open up a different type of browser.

Visits to such sites are tracked using "cookies" so deleting them in the current browser also works.

Where is ADuck2022. This is his jam. IGF-LR3, peptides...

Hope he hasn't retired from the forum

a) illegal? As far as I can tell, no they are not. The loophole seems to be that you must buy them for experimental purposes and those experiments aren't supposed to involve humans. b) against anti-doping rules? Ultimately depends on what the peptide is, but given that new peptides are being made all the time and there are plenty currently in use that are not being detected so it's a big issue for sure. No offense, but I'd be scared to take any pill you designed, so maybe stick to whatever else it is you do?

rojo wrote:

Does anyone know if Peptides are a) illegal or b) against anti-doping rules?

I think I may start my own supplement company.

rojo wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. They are saying he's really smart and runs his own forum where he pumped up peptides on that forum. But they are saying he sells the real stuff whereas most of the stuff you buy on line - 80% - is faked.

why would you think that's related to aduck2022? His posts are strongly anti-doping.

That's not true. The study "debunking" the virtues of organic food was focused on whether they had more nutrients, which they did not. They still conferred numerous advantages, including the absence of harmful pesticides that are ingested by those who eat non-organics.

including the absence of harmful pesticides that are ingested by those who eat non-organics.

unless you are able to present a study that shows the ingestion of harmful pesticides by folk eating non-organic vegetables, then you are not demonstrating a difference. are you?

cheers.

rojo wrote:

Does anyone know if Peptides are a) illegal or b) against anti-doping rules?

I think I may start my own supplement company.

Peptides are not illegal. That is why people are easily able to obtain them over the internet from US distributors. The only restriction is that they cannot be sold for human use, because that would make them a drug, and an Unapproved Drug by FDA regulations. It is somewhat of a legal loophole. The article makes it sound like the Arizona man was selling illegal drugs when he was in fact not. He messed up when he ran a forum where a bunch of people were discussing human use. It will be hard to argue that he wasn't selling for human use in light of that. That is what made his actions illegal, not the actual substances.

More peptides are being added to anti doping regulations as they gain popularity. For example, the peptide EPO was banned many years ago when it became popular, but newer ones are more recently being added. The main issue is that they are nearly impossible to test for since they are exact copies of substances your body makes naturally.

This is the primary reason anti-doping makes the playing field even more unlevel: those who have connections to a clever chemist, even one who is working on their graduate degree at a university for instance (this definitely happens) can have a huge advantage and never get caught. Anti-doping is good for the health of the competitors as a whole, but you’re crazy if you think it’s creating fair sport. It’s a difficult situation for sure.

dgfdsgre wrote:

The main issue is that they are nearly impossible to test for since they are exact copies of substances your body makes naturally.

Cottonshirt wrote:

including the absence of harmful pesticides that are ingested by those who eat non-organics.

unless you are able to present a study that shows the ingestion of harmful pesticides by folk eating non-organic vegetables, then you are not demonstrating a difference. are you?

cheers.

Thanks for the business.

Cheerio.

I'm amazed with what people on here remember.

I saw Dr. Galea once, but didn't get any injections.

I'v been seeing references to IGF-1 on here since 2002 (I just went and looked it up when the first reference was). I didn't really understand what it was until now. Great reporting by NYTimes.

DatbTrue reference on forums:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=6728178&thread=6727996#6728178

I'd love to know some of who these posters are in real life.

Peptides? REALLY?

Are you people kidding me? aduck2022 and I have been discussing this for years. YEARS. I left this board for quite a while, and when I revisit it years later, you guys are surprised by peptides?

Look back in the sprint threads, it's all there...from Gatlin's miraculous comeback, to CollinsPB'ing at 40, etc.

It's old news.

Just as important as peptides, or maybe even more so, is HGH/EPO microdosing. That is some strong shxt, and if done right, apparently can save your body while keeping you under the radar. It is also old news, but I suspect it was/is often combined with peptides, among other things.

Or do you people here just believe that in some way, human physiology has changed, to enable PB'ing at 40, winning WC at 35, 9.7'ing well into your 30's, or 9.58/19.19 to beat huge steroid abusers?

The question now is: will you finally wake up?

PED abuse in athletics isn't terribly important in its own right, but it is symptomatic of larger social problems. RoJo, if you think that 200 FDA agents is a revelation, then you know essentially nothing about governmental waste, fraud, and abuse. If you are bent out of shape by the 200 agents, I suggest you not look any further down the rabbit hole. Once you start down, there is no going back to recovering innocence, apart from Alzheimer's. Then you become like me. Knowing things can be difficult, because one man can't change anything but himself, really. Problem is that you are surrounded by a context of which you disapprove, because you can see the codes--which can be very difficult emotionally. It's not fun, it ends up being hard work to keep from either going nuts or withdrawing completely into a bunker, depending on your basic personality type.

What amazes me most is that these things can be revelatory to anybody. Don't you people TALK to other people? You would be surprised what people will tell you. At this point, and for a great many years--since the mid-80's for me--many people find very little shame in "cheating", be it at sports, taxes, whatever. They think that you will find it impressive that they are able to "get one over" on everybody else. They also firmly believe that EVERYBODY else is doing the same thing, so what they are doing doesn't matter. If you just TALK to a variety of people, you will find this out. I understand that the brojos have had contact with elites, it is almost unbelievable to me that they would find any of this revelatory..but it's not just elites. The HS use is off the charts, BTW, not to mention men aged 40+.

"Thomas Mann", lol

Reminds me of the story where a guy told his girlfriend's father that his name was Adam West.

The stupid dad believed it, and ended up buying the guy a plane ticket under the Adam West name!

The really funny part is that the guy ended up legally changing his name to Adam West because it was a few hundred bucks cheaper to make the legal application than it was to change the name on the plane ticket.

Thomas Mann lol

Also, for the credulous, look up the term "greenwashing".

wejo wrote:

I'd love to know some of who these posters are in real life.

There are some striking similarities when you compare all the "Wejo doped" posts to each other.

Clerk wrote:

Where is ADuck2022. This is his jam. IGF-LR3, peptides...

Hope he hasn't retired from the forum

He calls it the "Speeeeeeeeeed peptide." ?

It's nice to see you back, SG. You bring an equal and much needed sense of sanity and insanity to the discussions. Hope you continue to stick around for awhile.

The problem with all the doping is it obscures true outliers. The outliers get accused of doping. Outlier sprinters should play in the NFL instead they will earn more income and won't have to deal with all the whiny jealous betas complaining about dopers. Someone mentioned Houston McTear's uncle in another thread here a couple of days ago. He was like 58 years old and was beating Houston in sprints at the time Houston was running 9.0 for 100 yards. Uncle wasn't doping, he was a stud with great DNA.

From a Sports Illustrated article published in 2016:

"Four of those eight kids were named McTear, members of an outlier family that ran faster than anyone had ever seen a group of relations run."

“Shoot, Uncle Willie was the fast one,” George McTear says ... “Uncle Willie was 40 years older than us,” he says. “Still outran us.”

“Uncle Henry was fast, too,” says Charles McTear, Houston’s younger brother by five years. “Uncle Henry was so fast he’d lose track of his feet,” says George. “He’d get going too fast, then he’d tumble and down he’d go.”

"Of those four McTears, two, George and his younger brother Houston, lived at a level of poverty that surprised and saddened every outsider who laid eyes on the two-room shack by the saw mill where they lived with their parents and six siblings."

“I remember warming up before the [100-yard] final in Atlanta [on June 7, 1975],” recalls Harvey Glance, who was himself 18 at the time and would become McTear’s fiercest rival (and later, a three-time Olympian). “I was real anxious to see this guy everyone was talking about. I was taking practice starts and getting loose, [when] we were called to the starting line for introductions. The official goes down the line: ‘Robinson. Smith. Glance.’ When he said ‘McTear,’ everybody turns to this guy sitting up in the stands smoking a cigarette with his jeans and track shoes on. I looked up and said, You gotta be kidding me. He stepped down on the track, pulled his jeans off and ran a 9.2.” A hair slower than his record 9.0.

“So when I tell you that I witnessed with my own eyes the lack of discipline and lack of training—that was just one incident that defined how talented this guy was ... Never took one stride down the track, not one practice start, and ran 9.2.”

I know it is difficult for a 12.8 second 100m guy like Sprintgeezer to understand that level of talent, but it does exist.

https://www.si.com/olympics/houston-mctear-sprinter-records-olympics-nine-seconds

Big Dog Outlier wrote:

https://www.si.com/olympics/houston-mctear-sprinter-records-olympics-nine-seconds

Great post. Thank you.