"Both Matt and Chris Solinsky raced Farah on the circuit a lot and beat him plenty. They are of similar age but their careers were all but over after 2012."
Never mind the fact that Solinsky tore a hamstring muscle off of a bone and had it reattached with a screw. I'm not saying Farah is clean, but rather that ludicrous, misleading, half a$$ed statements like the one quoted above are why I can't take this article seriously.
HahaRiiiiiiight wrote:
Health.. wrote:
It's very suspicious how all of a sudden he does his winter training block in Ethiopia
Since the heat came on kenya
And of course he complained about facing East Africans due to their lax testing regime
Well according to Mo's Instagram he's been tested quite a few times in Ethiopia during this training block. I don't think anyone can hide from testers these days, especially guys like him - he's got a target on his back....
Speak of the devil - he was tested again last night. #onemotest
Dirty or not, the guy will never test positive - his coaches and doctors are too smart for that. You need teammates coming out against him or some actual evidence - ala Lance. But if you want to compare the two, Mo seems to be genuinely well liked by his teammates and training partners? Whatever that means....
tony the tiger wrote:
casual obsever wrote
Had UKAD or IAAF or WADA been tough on doping back then, the whole Farah dominance saga would never have begun. Pretty comparable to Armstrong, who should have been banned in 1999 after his positive tests, but no... same old, same old...
LOL you sound butt hurt that MO dominated long distance running on the track the last few yrs
I thought you only get banned after 3 missed tests ? no?[/quote]
Having read your incessant posts regarding the innocence and blind adulation of Farah over the years, I'd say that you are the king (or possibly queen) of butt hurt. Surely, even someone with an obvious bias (self admitted because of religious proclivity) would see the evidence and at least be highly suspicious that your hero did not accomplish his accolades completely through legal means.
I'm more genuinely concerned with Farah's health, if I'm being honest. Twice, he has "fainted" or passed out (that we know of). Once, as documented at a training camp in Park City. The other post NY half marathon in 2014. I feel that if this is truly the result of taking on exogenous supplements- legal or not- he should take note. Unfortunately, I doubt that will be the case despite warning signs. I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but I fear the worst in this situation.
UKA sign a lucrative deal with Nike, Mo is with Nike, BBC commentary team are all with Nike, Radcliffe, Cram, even Logan does speaking events for Nike. Coe had s building named after him this week.... at Nike. How much control does Nike have over UKA? How much control does Nike have over the BBC and its coverage of athletics? BBC is supposed to be impartial... without commercial bias. It's a complete joke. Nobody in the sport in the UK with any influence will ever speak out about Mo. But speak to anyone out of the 'inner circle' and their opinions on what is going on will be completely different.
larkimm wrote:
How can you fail to submit if you didn't know the testers were at the door? That's not what I think, it's what the rules say.
It's to account for the fact that if the testers turn up and they can't contact you for whatever reason (you're not there, you don't hear the doorbell, you've cocked up whereabouts etc) you get three strikes.
Even if it were the case that Farah was in fact deliberately evading answering the door on that one day, how on earth do you go about proving it? Same would apply to absolutely every single missed test, unless you had some very good verifiable excuse like you were called away to a family emergency etc.
A missed test with a plausible explanation is a missed test it is NOT evading or refusing to give a sample UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. And I offer you the chance to produce that EVIDENCE.
I love it when letsrun posters think they know better on matters that have already been through the due processes required, decided by people whose word actually matters on this subject, and then closed.
Posters come on here without all the inside information that the panel would have had, without all the details, and then pull up the rule book and start making things up to fit.
It's hilarious
ex-runner wrote:
larkimm wrote:
How can you fail to submit if you didn't know the testers were at the door? That's not what I think, it's what the rules say.
It's to account for the fact that if the testers turn up and they can't contact you for whatever reason (you're not there, you don't hear the doorbell, you've cocked up whereabouts etc) you get three strikes.
Even if it were the case that Farah was in fact deliberately evading answering the door on that one day, how on earth do you go about proving it? Same would apply to absolutely every single missed test, unless you had some very good verifiable excuse like you were called away to a family emergency etc.
A missed test with a plausible explanation is a missed test it is NOT evading or refusing to give a sample UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. And I offer you the chance to produce that EVIDENCE.
I love it when letsrun posters think they know better on matters that have already been through the due processes required, decided by people whose word actually matters on this subject, and then closed.
Posters come on here without all the inside information that the panel would have had, without all the details, and then pull up the rule book and start making things up to fit.
It's hilarious
Do you have full confidence that the "people whose word actually matters on this subject" will do the right thing and are beyond reproach?
Here is a list of people who were buying their Zinc and Magnesium aspartate "supplements" (ZMA) from Mr. Victor CON-te of (the Tetrahydrogestrinone = THG= BALCO guy busted by Mr. Travis Tygert:
SNAC has been providing supplements for professional athletes for a number of years. SNAC supplements play a vital role in obtaining proper nutritional levels and helping athletes meet their conditioning goals. Each of the following athletes have incorporated SNAC supplements into their regime:
JOHN ELWAY - All Pro Quarterback for the Denver Broncos.
SEATTLE SUPERSONSCS - 1992-1994 Professional basketball teams.
MICHAEL CHANG - 1989 French Open tennis champion.
BILL ROMANOWSKI - Linebacker for the World Champion San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles and Denver Broncos.
JIIVI COURIER - 1991 and 1992 French Open tennis champion.
DAN MARINO - All Pro Quarterback for the Miami Dolphins.
MIKE POWELL - World record holder in the long jump. 1988 and 1992 Olympic Silver medalist
BRYCE PAUP - All Pro Linebacker with the Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills. 1995 National Football League's Defensive Player of the Year.
IVAN LENDL - 1984,1986, and 1987 French Open tennis champion. 1985, 1986, and 987 U.S. Open tennis champion.
TERRELL DAVIS - All Pro Running Back for the Denver Broncos. 1996 National Football League's Offensive Player of the Year
MARK CREAR - 1996 Olympic silver medalist in the 110 meter high hurdles.
MATT BIONDI - "World's Fastest Swimmer", 50 and 100 meter freestyle world record holder. Winner of seven medals (5 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze) at the1988 Olympic Games.
STEVE ATWATER - All Pro Free Safety for the Denver Broncos.
RANDY BARNES - World record holder in the indoor and outdoor shot put. 1988 Olympic Silver medalist. 1996 Olympic Gold medalist.
MAC WILKINS - Former world record holder in the discus. 1976 Olympic Gold medalist, 1984 Olympic Silver medalist and a 1988 Olympic finalist.
NEiL SMITH - All Pro Defensive End for the Denver Broncos.
ALBERTO SALAZAR - Former world record holder in the marathon. (It is just a coincidence.)
JOE GREENE - 1992 Olympic Bronze medalist in the Song jump. (Mr. Conte is not very good at spelling.)
RENALDO NEHIMIAH - Former World record holder in the 110 meter high hurdles.
ANDRE CASON - World record holder In the 60 meters. 1993 U.S. Champion in the 100 meters.
SHANNON SHARPE - All Pro Tight End for the Denver
TERRY KIRBY - Running Back for the San Francisco 49ers.
MILOS SARCEV - Professional Bodybuilding Champion.
HENRY ELLARD - Wide receiver for the Los Angeles Rams and Washington Redskins.
GREGG TAFRALIS - 1986 U.S. Indoor Shot Put Champion, Silver medalist at the Pan American Games and a 1988 Olympic finalist
MIKE BUNCIC - Former NCAA record holder in the discus. 1988 and 1992 Olympian.
JUD LOGAN - American record holder in the hammer. 1988 and 1992 Olympian.
JIM QUINN - Professional Bodybuilding Champion. KEN FLAX - 1988 U.S. Champion in the hammer. 1988 and 1992 Olympian.
JOHN HiLL - 1987 U.S. Heavyweight Karate Champion.
MIKE SWAIN - Gold medalist in Judo at 156lbs. at the 1987 World Championships. Mike Swain is the first man in U.S. Judo history to win a World Championship. 1988 Olympic Bronze medalist.
JOE DELOACH - 1988 Olympic Gold medalist in the 200 meters.
LYNN ROETHKE - Silver medalist in Judo at 134 Ibs. at the 1987 World Championships. 1988 Olympic Silver medalist.
KEVIN ASANO - 1988 Olympic Silver medalist in Judo at 136 Ibs.
DAVID WYMAN - Linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks.
WILL WiLLIS - 1987 Mr. USA Bodybuilding Champion.
MATT GUISTO - 1988 NCAA Champion at 5000 meters.
RALPH SAMPSON - Former forward for the Houston Rockets and Sacramento Kings professional basketball teams.
LANCE DEAL - 1993 U.S. Champion in the Hammer. 1988, 1992 and 1996 Olympian.
JIM DOERHING - 1992 Olympic Silver medalist in the shot put.
WOLFGANG SCHMIDT - Former World Record Holder and Olympic Silver medalist in the discus.
DON MYRAH - 1989 World Champion in Mountain Bike\Cyclocross.
TONIE CAMPBELL - 1988 Olympic Bronze Medalist in the 110 meter hurdles. 8
PATTISUE PLUMER - 1988 and 1992 Olympian. American Record Holder in the 5000 meters. 1990 Female U.S. Track Athlete of the Year.
MICHAEL ASHLEY - 1986 Mr. Universe Bodybuilding Champion.
NANCY LEWIS - Ms. USA Bodybuilding Champion.
CORINNE SHIGEMOTO - 1986 U.S. Heavyweight Judo Champion.
LESLIE MAXIE - Junior world record holder in the 400 meter intermediate hurdles. 1988 Olympian.
ROBERT HARROP - 1991 Mr. America Bodybuilding Champion.
MIKE WILSON - Former wide receiver for the San Francisco 49ers.
PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDERS:
FLEX WHEELER
RONNIE COLEMAN
KEVIN LEVRONE
MIKE MATARAZZO
CHRIS CORMIER
GUNTER SCHLIERKAMP
ROLAND KICKINGER
MILOS SARCEV
EDDIE ROBINSON
DON LONG
EMERIC DELCZEG
VICKIE GATES
NANCY LEWIS
JIM QUINN
RICH GASPARI
MIKE ASHLEY
MAX SHMAYA
http://web.archive.org/web/20030715173248/http://snac.com/athletes.htm
It turns out that Jarmila Kratochvilova set the current 800m World Record time of 1:53.28 for women in 1983.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/18/sports/18RECORDBOOK01/18RECORDBOOK01-articleLarge.jpg
It turns out that Jarmila never had a positive doping test in her entire career.
Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone (CDMT; brand name Oral Turinabol) is an anabolic–androgenic steroid (AAS). It is the 4-chloro-substituted derivative of metandienone (dehydromethyltestosterone).
CDMT was the first original product of Jenapharm, an East German pharmaceutical company. The patent registration took place in 1961. The idea of combining the structures of 4-chlorotestosterone (clostebol) and metandienone originated from the chemist Albert Stachowiak.[citation needed] At the time this represented a unique dissociation of anabolic and androgenic effects after oral administration.[1] The product had been introduced for clinical use in 1965.
CDMT was the key steroid administered to approximately 10,000 athletes from East Germany (GDR) as secret official policy, often without their knowing the nature of the "vitamins" they were forced to take. The doping program was run by the East German Government from about 1968 until 1989 when the Berlin Wall was destroyed. The doping program was known as STASI 14.25. The doping was done in secret; it was only in the 1990s that Franke and Berendonk looked closely at the original archived information and discovered the true scope of just how well-planned and successful the doping regime had been (in terms of medal success and world record performances).[2]
After the collapse of the East German regime, people responsible for the forced doping were found guilty of causing grievous bodily harm to about 10,000 sportspeople; victims were compensated. In later life former athletes developed serious health problems believed due to the drugs; psychotic episodes were attributed to CDMT.[3]
Following allegations by the German documentary of widespread doping the IOC kicked off a reanalysis of Beijing 2008 and London 2012 samples for all sports.
Weightlifters and sprinters in particular were found to have used CDMT. Most of the doped athletes coming from Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.[4]
However, the method developed by Grigory Rodchenkov in 2011[5] was used in 2016 to detect long-term metabolites of CDMT while retesting the athletes' Olympic samples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22142641
It is just a Coincidental Synchronicity™.
2017 Update Real Deal Female Runners from Not Really That Great Britain and the USA:
http://i2.devonlive.com/sport/other-sport/article288980.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/JoPavey.jpg
Oh yeah.
Here are the updated 'Real' results for the 2018 World Indoor Championships:
3000m:
Gold medal - Laura Muir (the Flying 'Wee Sparra' Scot)
Silver medal- Hellen Obiri (Kenya)
Bronze medal- Shelby Houlihan (USA)
1500m:
Gold medal - Laura Muir (the Flying 'Wee Sparra' Scot)
Silver medal- Shelby Houlihan (USA)
Bronze medal- Winny Chebet (Kenya)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/athletics/laura-muir-makes-history-world-12122937
In conclusion:
1) Go Laura Muir!!!
2) Go Shelby Houlihan!!!
Well PRP does sound like the early blood doping in this article that Franz Beckenbauer had, really more of a quack treatment in those days.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/a-history-on-the-use-of-blood-transfusions-in-cycling/
I saw an article on PRP back about 2008-2010 that reckoned that areas treated were 10-15% stronger after treatment.
Funnily enough, my achilles was so sore two weeks ago that I Google searched for places doing PRP in my area and the swanky private hospital opposite my place came up on the Google map. I walked over the road and they told me the cost was $500 for each of 3 sessions, WTF! As I politely said "I'll think about it," the lady in the que behind walked up to me and said that she had PRP on her achilles last year and it did nothing for her. She claimed heel lifts were more effective. So go figure.
These:
insulin-like growth factor 1
insulin-like growth factor 2
connective tissue growth factor
☞Sound like PEDs to me.
A. Moussa wrote:
tony the tiger wrote:
Had UKAD or IAAF or WADA been tough on doping back then, the whole Farah dominance saga would never have begun. Pretty comparable to Armstrong, who should have been banned in 1999 after his positive tests, but no... same old, same old...
LOL you sound butt hurt that MO dominated long distance running on the track the last few yrs
I thought you only get banned after 3 missed tests ? no?
Having read your incessant posts regarding the innocence and blind adulation of Farah over the years, I'd say that you are the king (or possibly queen) of butt hurt. Surely, even someone with an obvious bias (self admitted because of religious proclivity) would see the evidence and at least be highly suspicious that your hero did not accomplish his accolades completely through legal means.[/quote]
Give me REAL evidence , teammate's testimony something substantial . something that can actually hold water
I will not convict Mo bases on " he was also nobody b4 his 27th birthday" " Solinsky and Tegenkamp were beating Mo on regular basis" " Mo Farah always train in Ethiopia and Kenya"
tony the tiger wrote:
A. Moussa wrote:
LOL you sound butt hurt that MO dominated long distance running on the track the last few yrs
I thought you only get banned after 3 missed tests ? no?
Having read your incessant posts regarding the innocence and blind adulation of Farah over the years, I'd say that you are the king (or possibly queen) of butt hurt. Surely, even someone with an obvious bias (self admitted because of religious proclivity) would see the evidence and at least be highly suspicious that your hero did not accomplish his accolades completely through legal means.
Give me REAL evidence , teammate's testimony something substantial . something that can actually hold water
I will not convict Mo bases on " he was also nobody b4 his 27th birthday" " Solinsky and Tegenkamp were beating Mo on regular basis" " Mo Farah always train in Ethiopia and Kenya"[/quote]
It's coming.
El Keniano wrote:
To those asking why he would shift base from Kenya to Ethiopia, I've been told that since ADAK got formed and upped OOC testing in Kenya, it is routine for testers to show up unannounced early in the a.m. to get samples from groggy athletes. Maybe that kind of sleep disruption is bad for training?
Don't WADA's rules prohibit any testing between 11:00 PM & 6:00 AM?
Don't all Kenyans start training at 6:00 AM?
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
To those asking why he would shift base from Kenya to Ethiopia, I've been told that since ADAK got formed and upped OOC testing in Kenya, it is routine for testers to show up unannounced early in the a.m. to get samples from groggy athletes. Maybe that kind of sleep disruption is bad for training?
Don't WADA's rules prohibit any testing between 11:00 PM & 6:00 AM?
I think if an athlete's passport gets flagged WADA can bird dog the athlete after the 11:00 pm "safe zone" time frame. I also believe that any evidence of a scandal, tips, someone dropping a dime, etc., and WADA can also test at any hour.
It must be terrible if you're a doper and you hear a knock at your door after 11:00 pm. I can't help but think this iconic song probably describes the situation. ???
https://youtu.be/SECVGN4BsggProof that Farah is dirty is that he did not believe any of the accusations made against Alberto Salazar. He stayed with him for a couple of years after this.
Farah should lose all of his gold medals.
I hope the day comes when he is found guilty.
Everyone's looking for an edge wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Don't WADA's rules prohibit any testing between 11:00 PM & 6:00 AM?
I think if an athlete's passport gets flagged WADA can bird dog the athlete after the 11:00 pm "safe zone" time frame. I also believe that any evidence of a scandal, tips, someone dropping a dime, etc., and WADA can also test at any hour.
It must be terrible if you're a doper and you hear a knock at your door after 11:00 pm. I can't help but think this iconic song probably describes the situation. ???
https://youtu.be/SECVGN4Bsgg
Ha ? yes, I always love the saxophone at the start. Seriously, there was a rule whereby no testing was done after 11 or 12??? I noticed cycling and TdF officials had or are looking to change that rule to catch those microdosing epo and androgel. Didn't think any other sport was there yet.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Everyone's looking for an edge wrote:
It must be terrible if you're a doper and you hear a knock at your door after 11:00 pm. I can't help but think this iconic song probably describes the situation. ???
https://youtu.be/SECVGN4Bsgg.
"Who can it be knocking at my door?
Go 'way, don't come 'round here no more.
Can't you see that it's late at night?
I'm very tired, and I'm not feeling right.
All I wish is to be alone;
Stay away, don't you invade my home.
Best off if you hang outside,
Don't come in, I'll only run and hide.
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be knocking at my door?
Make no sound, tip-toe across the floor.
If he hears, he'll knock all day,
I'll be trapped, and here I'll have to stay.
I've done no harm, I keep to myself;
There's nothing wrong with my state of mental health.
I like it here with my childhood friend;
Here they come, those feelings again!
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?"
Poor Mo.
ex-runner wrote:
larkimm wrote:
How can you fail to submit if you didn't know the testers were at the door? That's not what I think, it's what the rules say.
It's to account for the fact that if the testers turn up and they can't contact you for whatever reason (you're not there, you don't hear the doorbell, you've cocked up whereabouts etc) you get three strikes.
Even if it were the case that Farah was in fact deliberately evading answering the door on that one day, how on earth do you go about proving it? Same would apply to absolutely every single missed test, unless you had some very good verifiable excuse like you were called away to a family emergency etc.
A missed test with a plausible explanation is a missed test it is NOT evading or refusing to give a sample UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. And I offer you the chance to produce that EVIDENCE.
I love it when letsrun posters think they know better on matters that have already been through the due processes required, decided by people whose word actually matters on this subject, and then closed.
Posters come on here without all the inside information that the panel would have had, without all the details, and then pull up the rule book and start making things up to fit.
It's hilarious
I'm going to selfishly guess that you're not throwing the accusation at me here, on the basis that the due process etc reflected what I posted - i.e. Farah was never charged with refusing or failing to give a sample, just notified that he had accumulated 2 whereabouts failures.
But if there's something wrong in what I wrote happy to have it pointed out - as you correctly say, we are way past the point at which this matter was looked at by the competent authorities following due process, and they concluded what they concluded.
larkimm wrote:
I'm sorry if you don't follow this but this is the logic:-
- you tell me you're going to be at home between 10-11am every day for the next 30 days so I can get a urine sample
- I turn up at your door at 10:30am and then carry on ringing your doorbell for 60 minutes
- you do not answer
I contact you by phone later in the day to let you know I tried to come, and you have a 100% recollection that you were in the house at 10:30am and what you were doing at the time (though .
Again, your logic is missing that the tester tried to get Farah's attention by more than just ringing the doorbell. See for example the Rollins case:
https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5064238-olympic-champ-bri-rollins-gets-year-suspension-for-missing-three-drug-testsThe first violation came when she said she would be home in California from 7:00-8:00 AM on April 27, but at the Drake Relays April 27-30. The report says that "when reached by phone at 7:08 a.m., [Rollins] indicated that she was on her way to the airport for a flight."
Get it? a) 60 minutes window (7 - 8 am), b) phone call after she didn't answer the doorbell, well within those 60 minutes (7:08 am).
Third time: "a drug tester calls Rollins at 7:49 AM from her house, Rollins answers and says she's in Atlanta"
What do you think happened when the drug tester called Farah from his house?
larkimm wrote:
Have you
a) refused to give a sample or
b) failed to submit a sample or
c) failed to respond to the doorbell
b and c, obviously, and
d) failed to answer the phone call
e) failed to respond to the knocking
f) failed to respond to the shouting
larkimm wrote:
If you give me a plausible explanation I have no basis for forming any other judgement about why you did not answer the doorbell - I can't see into your mind.
Correct - but he hasn't given a plausible explanation about the doorbell (too quiet, riiigght), the knocking (wasn't mentioned by Farah), the shouting (wasn't mentioned by Farah), the phone call (wasn't mentioned by Farah) - all of that for a full 60 minutes!
larkimm wrote:
This logic for whereabouts violations applies to every incident
Aside from what UKAD said, where do you see a whereabout failure? He said he'd be home at that time, and he seems to have been home at the home. Fact is, he failed to submit a sample, the rest is arguable.
larkimm wrote:
(And on the point of the phone, I believe that it is the case that phone calls are not used to track down whereabouts individuals because this has the potential for giving undue fore-warning and the chance to empty their bladders out of sight of the testers to make testing difficult.
No, see above.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
2017 World 800 champ Pierre-Ambroise Bosse banned 1 year for whereabouts failures
