Labuschagne wrote:
Michel Jazy, Herb Elliott, Mohammed Gammoudi and Kip Keino all seem do be in better shape than other people around their age.
Snell at 70 looked better than most at 50!
https://teara.govt.nz/files/26953-nzh.jpg
K. Keino wrote:
Labuschagne wrote:
Michel Jazy, Herb Elliott, Mohammed Gammoudi and Kip Keino all seem do be in better shape than other people around their age.
Snell at 70 looked better than most at 50!
https://teara.govt.nz/files/26953-nzh.jpg
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/friday/gngvg4ezevwr9p1tip5dd80174adb71.jpg
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
T&F fans wonder ... wrote:
If every double combination were allowed, the T&F World Championship and Olympic schedule would have to be expanded significantly from 12 to maybe 18 days. Why would that occur if a man as fast Cram chose not to race 800m in any of his three Olympics, '80, '84 or '88.
Are you seriously saying that we should only have semi finals at the WC/OG? Would you have 3 semi's in the 800m or only 2 and allow just 16 athletes to run the 800 so a few could double!
I personally think they need to go back to 4 rounds of the 800 and only have two semis, with the top 4 going thru to the final.
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
Labuschagne wrote:
Michel Jazy, Herb Elliott, Mohammed Gammoudi and Kip Keino all seem do be in better shape than other people around their age.
Snell at 70 looked better than most at 50!
https://teara.govt.nz/files/26953-nzh.jpg
Deanouk wrote:
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
Coe's 7 races in 9 days, in 2 of the most in-depth fields ever assembled for an Olympic final, is the greatest sequence of middle distance races over such a period, in my opinion; given the heat, conditions and talent he competed against. Snell's double in Tokyo is probably its equal, but that was 6 races in 8 days and there wasn't the same number of countries competing at that time.
Cram wasn't 'tired' prior to the 84 Games, he'd had some injury issues in the run up to LA, but so too had Coe and Ovett. At least Cram had an injury free winter build up, whereas Coe had only started training in January, after almost 5 months out with illness.
Cram was a bit race rusty in the lead up to the Olympics; but he'd had a time trial just prior to leaving and that convinced him that he was in good enough shape to win in LA. He also made a planned WR attempt over 1500m in Budapest a week or two after LA, so he couldn't have been that far off his best in the Olympic final! His excuses after his defeat in LA were just that. He had beaten everyone else but had seriously underestimated Coe.
Cram was certainly at his best in 85 and 86, and a peak Jarrow Arrow would have gone for the win with 400m to go, but Aouita showed in Nice 85, that you can't run wide and give Cram a 6m head start at the bell and beat him. Coe made a similar mistake a year later in the Stuttgart (European) 1500m final; although he ran even more extra distance and had far more traffic to navigate over the last lap.
A peak Coe from 81 or LA 84, running a decent tactical race, would have been able to go in behind Cram at the bell and take him in the straight. He showed in Moscow 80 and in his 1000m WR in 81, that he could hang on to any pace and still have something left at the finish.
ENG wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
Coe's 7 races in 9 days, in 2 of the most in-depth fields ever assembled for an Olympic final, is the greatest sequence of middle distance races over such a period, in my opinion; given the heat, conditions and talent he competed against. Snell's double in Tokyo is probably its equal, but that was 6 races in 8 days and there wasn't the same number of countries competing at that time.
Cram wasn't 'tired' prior to the 84 Games, he'd had some injury issues in the run up to LA, but so too had Coe and Ovett. At least Cram had an injury free winter build up, whereas Coe had only started training in January, after almost 5 months out with illness.
Cram was a bit race rusty in the lead up to the Olympics; but he'd had a time trial just prior to leaving and that convinced him that he was in good enough shape to win in LA. He also made a planned WR attempt over 1500m in Budapest a week or two after LA, so he couldn't have been that far off his best in the Olympic final! His excuses after his defeat in LA were just that. He had beaten everyone else but had seriously underestimated Coe.
Cram was certainly at his best in 85 and 86, and a peak Jarrow Arrow would have gone for the win with 400m to go, but Aouita showed in Nice 85, that you can't run wide and give Cram a 6m head start at the bell and beat him. Coe made a similar mistake a year later in the Stuttgart (European) 1500m final; although he ran even more extra distance and had far more traffic to navigate over the last lap.
A peak Coe from 81 or LA 84, running a decent tactical race, would have been able to go in behind Cram at the bell and take him in the straight. He showed in Moscow 80 and in his 1000m WR in 81, that he could hang on to any pace and still have something left at the finish.
I meant he was tired in the final of 1500m final in LA. The heat and humidity got to him, while Coe was in optimal condition.
He said this in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUG0c537kqo&t=1240s
Alice L wrote:
ENG wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
Coe's 7 races in 9 days, in 2 of the most in-depth fields ever assembled for an Olympic final, is the greatest sequence of middle distance races over such a period, in my opinion; given the heat, conditions and talent he competed against. Snell's double in Tokyo is probably its equal, but that was 6 races in 8 days and there wasn't the same number of countries competing at that time.
Cram wasn't 'tired' prior to the 84 Games, he'd had some injury issues in the run up to LA, but so too had Coe and Ovett. At least Cram had an injury free winter build up, whereas Coe had only started training in January, after almost 5 months out with illness.
Cram was a bit race rusty in the lead up to the Olympics; but he'd had a time trial just prior to leaving and that convinced him that he was in good enough shape to win in LA. He also made a planned WR attempt over 1500m in Budapest a week or two after LA, so he couldn't have been that far off his best in the Olympic final! His excuses after his defeat in LA were just that. He had beaten everyone else but had seriously underestimated Coe.
Cram was certainly at his best in 85 and 86, and a peak Jarrow Arrow would have gone for the win with 400m to go, but Aouita showed in Nice 85, that you can't run wide and give Cram a 6m head start at the bell and beat him. Coe made a similar mistake a year later in the Stuttgart (European) 1500m final; although he ran even more extra distance and had far more traffic to navigate over the last lap.
A peak Coe from 81 or LA 84, running a decent tactical race, would have been able to go in behind Cram at the bell and take him in the straight. He showed in Moscow 80 and in his 1000m WR in 81, that he could hang on to any pace and still have something left at the finish.
I meant he was tired in the final of 1500m final in LA. The heat and humidity got to him, while Coe was in optimal condition.
He said this in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUG0c537kqo&t=1240s
Are there any runners these days that follow a training plan similar to Coe?
Anyone doing Snell's training?
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Coe Caters to Millenials... wrote:
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Alice L wrote:
ENG wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
Coe's 7 races in 9 days, in 2 of the most in-depth fields ever assembled for an Olympic final, is the greatest sequence of middle distance races over such a period, in my opinion; given the heat, conditions and talent he competed against. Snell's double in Tokyo is probably its equal, but that was 6 races in 8 days and there wasn't the same number of countries competing at that time.
Cram wasn't 'tired' prior to the 84 Games, he'd had some injury issues in the run up to LA, but so too had Coe and Ovett. At least Cram had an injury free winter build up, whereas Coe had only started training in January, after almost 5 months out with illness.
Cram was a bit race rusty in the lead up to the Olympics; but he'd had a time trial just prior to leaving and that convinced him that he was in good enough shape to win in LA. He also made a planned WR attempt over 1500m in Budapest a week or two after LA, so he couldn't have been that far off his best in the Olympic final! His excuses after his defeat in LA were just that. He had beaten everyone else but had seriously underestimated Coe.
Cram was certainly at his best in 85 and 86, and a peak Jarrow Arrow would have gone for the win with 400m to go, but Aouita showed in Nice 85, that you can't run wide and give Cram a 6m head start at the bell and beat him. Coe made a similar mistake a year later in the Stuttgart (European) 1500m final; although he ran even more extra distance and had far more traffic to navigate over the last lap.
A peak Coe from 81 or LA 84, running a decent tactical race, would have been able to go in behind Cram at the bell and take him in the straight. He showed in Moscow 80 and in his 1000m WR in 81, that he could hang on to any pace and still have something left at the finish.
I meant he was tired in the final of 1500m final in LA. The heat and humidity got to him, while Coe was in optimal condition.
He said this in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUG0c537kqo&t=1240s
Are there any runners these days that follow a training plan similar to Coe?
Anyone doing Snell's training?
Coe Caters to Millenials... wrote:
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Coevett wrote:
Coe Caters to Millenials... wrote:
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Well we'll never know because Aouita dodged Coe every time.
I'd take Aouita's opinion of whether or not he could beat Coe over a random internet guy.
And you could argue that it was Aouita - first of the great African dopers - who more than any other man in athletics history got us to the present point, where steps such as dropping the 5000 and 3000sc are deemed necessary to save the sport.
Blunt wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Coe Caters to Millenials... wrote:
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Well we'll never know because Aouita dodged Coe every time.
I'd take Aouita's opinion of whether or not he could beat Coe over a random internet guy.
And you could argue that it was Aouita - first of the great African dopers - who more than any other man in athletics history got us to the present point, where steps such as dropping the 5000 and 3000sc are deemed necessary to save the sport.
Do you believe Aouita could have won the 1988 OG 5000m?
Great re-edited compilation of Coe's great races.
The man was ahead of his time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwsEDRLfLvg
