https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/friday/gngvg4ezevwr9p1tip5dd80174adb71.jpgLabuschagne wrote:
Michel Jazy, Herb Elliott, Mohammed Gammoudi and Kip Keino all seem do be in better shape than other people around their age.
Snell at 70 looked better than most at 50!
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K. Keino wrote:
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/friday/gngvg4ezevwr9p1tip5dd80174adb71.jpgLabuschagne wrote:
Michel Jazy, Herb Elliott, Mohammed Gammoudi and Kip Keino all seem do be in better shape than other people around their age.
Snell at 70 looked better than most at 50!
https://teara.govt.nz/files/26953-nzh.jpg
I've always found it convenient El Guerrouj discovered he had asthma in 2004 when his form prior to the OG was poor.
He then goes on to win 1500m and 5000m.
Suspicious no?
I'll take Cram at his peak.
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Davout wrote:
Sir Frank Gordon wrote:
I'll take Cram at his peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXZUaKJQn8Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
If every double combination were allowed, the T&F World Championship and Olympic schedule would have to be expanded significantly from 12 to maybe 18 days. Why would that occur if a man as fast Cram chose not to race 800m in any of his three Olympics, '80, '84 or '88.
T&F fans wonder ... wrote:
If every double combination were allowed, the T&F World Championship and Olympic schedule would have to be expanded significantly from 12 to maybe 18 days. Why would that occur if a man as fast Cram chose not to race 800m in any of his three Olympics, '80, '84 or '88.
He did run the 800m in Seoul - which was a mistake as it worsened the injury he was carrying. Would likely have cantered to gold otherwise.
In 80 he was only 19 and had hardly ran the 800m yet. In 84 he was coming back from injury.
He would have had a good chance of the double in Helsinki but the timetable was a bit tight.
In my opinion it would be better if the championships were limited to semis and finals, giving athletes more chance to recover and double.
And yes, they could spread the event over more than 12 days, especially at the Olympics, which are absolutely boring until the athletics start. They could introduce Masters events into the timetable, which would also be taken seriously by a lot more elite athletes and thus sure to draw the crowds.
Are you seriously saying that we should only have semi finals at the WC/OG? Would you have 3 semi's in the 800m or only 2 and allow just 16 athletes to run the 800 so a few could double!
I personally think they need to go back to 4 rounds of the 800 and only have two semis, with the top 4 going thru to the final.
ENG wrote:
Davout wrote:
Cram at his peak would run away from Coe and Aouita with 400m to go.
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
Coe's 7 races in 9 days, in 2 of the most in-depth fields ever assembled for an Olympic final, is the greatest sequence of middle distance races over such a period, in my opinion; given the heat, conditions and talent he competed against. Snell's double in Tokyo is probably its equal, but that was 6 races in 8 days and there wasn't the same number of countries competing at that time.
Cram wasn't 'tired' prior to the 84 Games, he'd had some injury issues in the run up to LA, but so too had Coe and Ovett. At least Cram had an injury free winter build up, whereas Coe had only started training in January, after almost 5 months out with illness.
Cram was a bit race rusty in the lead up to the Olympics; but he'd had a time trial just prior to leaving and that convinced him that he was in good enough shape to win in LA. He also made a planned WR attempt over 1500m in Budapest a week or two after LA, so he couldn't have been that far off his best in the Olympic final! His excuses after his defeat in LA were just that. He had beaten everyone else but had seriously underestimated Coe.
Cram was certainly at his best in 85 and 86, and a peak Jarrow Arrow would have gone for the win with 400m to go, but Aouita showed in Nice 85, that you can't run wide and give Cram a 6m head start at the bell and beat him. Coe made a similar mistake a year later in the Stuttgart (European) 1500m final; although he ran even more extra distance and had far more traffic to navigate over the last lap.
A peak Coe from 81 or LA 84, running a decent tactical race, would have been able to go in behind Cram at the bell and take him in the straight. He showed in Moscow 80 and in his 1000m WR in 81, that he could hang on to any pace and still have something left at the finish.
Labuschagne wrote:
Michel Jazy, Herb Elliott, Mohammed Gammoudi and Kip Keino all seem do be in better shape than other people around their age.
Snell at 70 looked better than most at 50!
https://teara.govt.nz/files/26953-nzh.jpg
So sad to hear Peter Snell has passed away.
He was the greatest IMO.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/14/sir-peter-snell-new-zealands-athlete-of-the-century-dies-aged-80Deanouk wrote:
ENG wrote:
Cram said he was tired prior to the 1984 OG 1500m final. I wonder why?
Coe ran the 800m, he had more reason to be tired.
Coe's 7 races in 9 days, in 2 of the most in-depth fields ever assembled for an Olympic final, is the greatest sequence of middle distance races over such a period, in my opinion; given the heat, conditions and talent he competed against. Snell's double in Tokyo is probably its equal, but that was 6 races in 8 days and there wasn't the same number of countries competing at that time.
Cram wasn't 'tired' prior to the 84 Games, he'd had some injury issues in the run up to LA, but so too had Coe and Ovett. At least Cram had an injury free winter build up, whereas Coe had only started training in January, after almost 5 months out with illness.
Cram was a bit race rusty in the lead up to the Olympics; but he'd had a time trial just prior to leaving and that convinced him that he was in good enough shape to win in LA. He also made a planned WR attempt over 1500m in Budapest a week or two after LA, so he couldn't have been that far off his best in the Olympic final! His excuses after his defeat in LA were just that. He had beaten everyone else but had seriously underestimated Coe.
Cram was certainly at his best in 85 and 86, and a peak Jarrow Arrow would have gone for the win with 400m to go, but Aouita showed in Nice 85, that you can't run wide and give Cram a 6m head start at the bell and beat him. Coe made a similar mistake a year later in the Stuttgart (European) 1500m final; although he ran even more extra distance and had far more traffic to navigate over the last lap.
A peak Coe from 81 or LA 84, running a decent tactical race, would have been able to go in behind Cram at the bell and take him in the straight. He showed in Moscow 80 and in his 1000m WR in 81, that he could hang on to any pace and still have something left at the finish.
I meant he was tired in the final of 1500m final in LA. The heat and humidity got to him, while Coe was in optimal condition.
He said this in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUG0c537kqo&t=1240sENG wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
Coe's 7 races in 9 days, in 2 of the most in-depth fields ever assembled for an Olympic final, is the greatest sequence of middle distance races over such a period, in my opinion; given the heat, conditions and talent he competed against. Snell's double in Tokyo is probably its equal, but that was 6 races in 8 days and there wasn't the same number of countries competing at that time.
Cram wasn't 'tired' prior to the 84 Games, he'd had some injury issues in the run up to LA, but so too had Coe and Ovett. At least Cram had an injury free winter build up, whereas Coe had only started training in January, after almost 5 months out with illness.
Cram was a bit race rusty in the lead up to the Olympics; but he'd had a time trial just prior to leaving and that convinced him that he was in good enough shape to win in LA. He also made a planned WR attempt over 1500m in Budapest a week or two after LA, so he couldn't have been that far off his best in the Olympic final! His excuses after his defeat in LA were just that. He had beaten everyone else but had seriously underestimated Coe.
Cram was certainly at his best in 85 and 86, and a peak Jarrow Arrow would have gone for the win with 400m to go, but Aouita showed in Nice 85, that you can't run wide and give Cram a 6m head start at the bell and beat him. Coe made a similar mistake a year later in the Stuttgart (European) 1500m final; although he ran even more extra distance and had far more traffic to navigate over the last lap.
A peak Coe from 81 or LA 84, running a decent tactical race, would have been able to go in behind Cram at the bell and take him in the straight. He showed in Moscow 80 and in his 1000m WR in 81, that he could hang on to any pace and still have something left at the finish.
I meant he was tired in the final of 1500m final in LA. The heat and humidity got to him, while Coe was in optimal condition.
He said this in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUG0c537kqo&t=1240s
Are there any runners these days that follow a training plan similar to Coe?
Anyone doing Snell's training?
Alice L wrote:
ENG wrote:
I meant he was tired in the final of 1500m final in LA. The heat and humidity got to him, while Coe was in optimal condition.
He said this in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUG0c537kqo&t=1240sAre there any runners these days that follow a training plan similar to Coe?
Anyone doing Snell's training?
Brazier apparently doesn't do many miles a week. But then he doesn't really compete at the top level in 1500m.
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Coe Caters to Millenials... wrote:
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Aouita probably could have ran a 3000m SC WR if he focused on the event.
I think he can be faster than 8:05.
Alice L wrote:
ENG wrote:
I meant he was tired in the final of 1500m final in LA. The heat and humidity got to him, while Coe was in optimal condition.
He said this in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUG0c537kqo&t=1240sAre there any runners these days that follow a training plan similar to Coe?
Anyone doing Snell's training?
Ovett went as high as 120 miles per week.
Coe Caters to Millenials... wrote:
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Well we'll never know because Aouita dodged Coe every time.
I'd take Aouita's opinion of whether or not he could beat Coe over a random internet guy.
And you could argue that it was Aouita - first of the great African dopers - who more than any other man in athletics history got us to the present point, where steps such as dropping the 5000 and 3000sc are deemed necessary to save the sport.
Coevett wrote:
Coe Caters to Millenials... wrote:
Aouita would win and he wouldn't get rid of the 5000m and 3000m steeplechase either.
Well we'll never know because Aouita dodged Coe every time.
I'd take Aouita's opinion of whether or not he could beat Coe over a random internet guy.
And you could argue that it was Aouita - first of the great African dopers - who more than any other man in athletics history got us to the present point, where steps such as dropping the 5000 and 3000sc are deemed necessary to save the sport.
Do you believe Aouita could have won the 1988 OG 5000m?
Blunt wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Well we'll never know because Aouita dodged Coe every time.
I'd take Aouita's opinion of whether or not he could beat Coe over a random internet guy.
And you could argue that it was Aouita - first of the great African dopers - who more than any other man in athletics history got us to the present point, where steps such as dropping the 5000 and 3000sc are deemed necessary to save the sport.
Do you believe Aouita could have won the 1988 OG 5000m?
If Aouita trained specifically for the 5000m in 1988 then I am confident he would have beaten Ngugi in the final.
13:11 is an easy time for Aouita.
Great re-edited compilation of Coe's great races.
The man was ahead of his time.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
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