^ yeah but thats what marathons are about. They aren't exciting on a minute-by-minute basis like the track, where people jostle around, have incredible kicks, etc. The marathon is all about the time. It's a battle of how far can you go at what speed. The fastest marathons are by far the most exciting. Wish Rupp would do Berlin instead of Boston.
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^ yeah but thats what marathons are about. They aren't exciting on a minute-by-minute basis like the track, where people jostle around, have incredible kicks, etc. The marathon is all about the time. It's a battle of how far can you go at what speed. The fastest marathons are by far the most exciting. Wish Rupp would do Berlin instead of Boston.
Well, Berlin is in the fall and Boston is in the spring so maybe he'll do both this year. Probably not but... maybe? -
Ruppster wrote:
Not only is Rupp a mediocre elite runner who isn’t at the top (2:09 man, never even competed in Berlin or London, never won gold in the Olympics or the WC, but he is also a dirty runner in the sense that he sits on other runners like an Alabama tick, many times he almost tripped the guy in front of him with that repulsive running tactic. Isn’t there a rule against it? You wanna sit on somebody’s ass? Fine. Bare in mind that if your foot even scratches his- you’re out! Same as in the road- accidentally or no accidentally- you hit someone from behind, it’s your fault.
[M]ediocre elite? You remind me of George Costanza in that Seinfeld episode in which he teases Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams that, yeah, they won the World Series, but it took them 6 games. -
Houlihan.Cragg.Huddle.Flanagan.com wrote:
The real competition at the 2018 Boston marathon is Shalane Flanagan versus Molly Huddle versus Jordan PTG Hasay.
USA women sweep Boston and take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.
Oh yeah.
What do you mean by PTG? -
So now we know Rupp is a 1:01 guy(equivalent time on a record eligible(not Rupp certified) course)
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runnerdave wrote:
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:
Ruppster wrote:
Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential
good thing there is a prize for winning then since Rupp does that
Some comments in this thread put down races that are run in a tactical way. A classic example was the Rio Men's 1500. We've all seen races like that where, in the early part of the race, runners are practically jogging because nobody wants to take the lead. It's a bit infuriating, but that's what happens and all the competitors adjust to that. The finishing time might suck.
Now take an un-paced marathon that starts out in a similar way. Nobody takes it out at 2:04 pace, so everybody settles in to see what develops. As the race goes along, obviously the eventual winning time might not be 2:06 or 2:07. Does that mean those runners aren't 2:06 or 2:07-capable? Not really.
The men's marathon in Rio was won by Kipchoge in 2:08:44. Obviously, Kipchoge is only a 2:08 guy, right? No. The Rio race was run at a certain pace and nobody elected to go out and push it harder. Rupp ran 2:10 and took the bronze. Does that mean that all the other runners can't even run a 2:10? No, it doesn't.
So, Rupp has won the USA Olympic Trials marathon; he finished 3rd in Rio (against most of the world's best), he finished 2nd in Boston and won in Chicago.
Let's see..... Rupp has run 4 marathons and has been beaten by 3 people total. Do I have that right? That's not too shabby.
Perhaps if Boston offered time incentives, the lead pack might push harder from the start, but as it stands, the competitors want to win the thing, whatever the time will be.
Maybe somebody will "pull a Ryan Hall" at Boston and take it out at a really fast pace. Then we would see what Rupp can do. But if that doesn't happen, we should expect Rupp to go for the win.
I watched the Berlin marathon last year and found it lacked much drama until the final miles because there was no strategy. It was only "stay with the pacers as long as possible". That equates to fast finishing times but leaves a lot of good runners in ruins. Personally, not my cup of tea.
My god so many words...
Do you know Kipchoge isn’t a 2:08 guy?
Because he ran 2:03:05!
And why Rupp is a 2:09 guy? Because that’s what he has run so far!
He wants to be a 2:03 like Kipchoge? Go to Berlin or London and stop fooling around at your comfort zone in Boston and Chicago no pacer turtlish marathons -
A slow 2:09 no pacers marathon is like a broken pencil...
Pointless. -
Kipchogeee wrote:
runnerdave wrote:
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:
Ruppster wrote:
Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential
good thing there is a prize for winning then since Rupp does that
Some comments in this thread put down races that are run in a tactical way. A classic example was the Rio Men's 1500. We've all seen races like that where, in the early part of the race, runners are practically jogging because nobody wants to take the lead. It's a bit infuriating, but that's what happens and all the competitors adjust to that. The finishing time might suck.
Now take an un-paced marathon that starts out in a similar way. Nobody takes it out at 2:04 pace, so everybody settles in to see what develops. As the race goes along, obviously the eventual winning time might not be 2:06 or 2:07. Does that mean those runners aren't 2:06 or 2:07-capable? Not really.
The men's marathon in Rio was won by Kipchoge in 2:08:44. Obviously, Kipchoge is only a 2:08 guy, right? No. The Rio race was run at a certain pace and nobody elected to go out and push it harder. Rupp ran 2:10 and took the bronze. Does that mean that all the other runners can't even run a 2:10? No, it doesn't.
So, Rupp has won the USA Olympic Trials marathon; he finished 3rd in Rio (against most of the world's best), he finished 2nd in Boston and won in Chicago.
Let's see..... Rupp has run 4 marathons and has been beaten by 3 people total. Do I have that right? That's not too shabby.
Perhaps if Boston offered time incentives, the lead pack might push harder from the start, but as it stands, the competitors want to win the thing, whatever the time will be.
Maybe somebody will "pull a Ryan Hall" at Boston and take it out at a really fast pace. Then we would see what Rupp can do. But if that doesn't happen, we should expect Rupp to go for the win.
I watched the Berlin marathon last year and found it lacked much drama until the final miles because there was no strategy. It was only "stay with the pacers as long as possible". That equates to fast finishing times but leaves a lot of good runners in ruins. Personally, not my cup of tea.
My god so many words...
Do you know Kipchoge isn’t a 2:08 guy?
Because he ran 2:03:05!
And why Rupp is a 2:09 guy? Because that’s what he has run so far!
He wants to be a 2:03 like Kipchoge? Go to Berlin or London and stop fooling around at your comfort zone in Boston and Chicago no pacer turtlish marathons
A Chicago Marathon win is more baller than a time trial race. -
runnerdave wrote:
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:
Ruppster wrote:
Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential
good thing there is a prize for winning then since Rupp does that
Some comments in this thread put down races that are run in a tactical way. A classic example was the Rio Men's 1500. We've all seen races like that where, in the early part of the race, runners are practically jogging because nobody wants to take the lead. It's a bit infuriating, but that's what happens and all the competitors adjust to that. The finishing time might suck.
Now take an un-paced marathon that starts out in a similar way. Nobody takes it out at 2:04 pace, so everybody settles in to see what develops. As the race goes along, obviously the eventual winning time might not be 2:06 or 2:07. Does that mean those runners aren't 2:06 or 2:07-capable? Not really.
The men's marathon in Rio was won by Kipchoge in 2:08:44. Obviously, Kipchoge is only a 2:08 guy, right? No. The Rio race was run at a certain pace and nobody elected to go out and push it harder. Rupp ran 2:10 and took the bronze. Does that mean that all the other runners can't even run a 2:10? No, it doesn't.
So, Rupp has won the USA Olympic Trials marathon; he finished 3rd in Rio (against most of the world's best), he finished 2nd in Boston and won in Chicago.
Let's see..... Rupp has run 4 marathons and has been beaten by 3 people total. Do I have that right? That's not too shabby.
Perhaps if Boston offered time incentives, the lead pack might push harder from the start, but as it stands, the competitors want to win the thing, whatever the time will be.
Maybe somebody will "pull a Ryan Hall" at Boston and take it out at a really fast pace. Then we would see what Rupp can do. But if that doesn't happen, we should expect Rupp to go for the win.
I watched the Berlin marathon last year and found it lacked much drama until the final miles because there was no strategy. It was only "stay with the pacers as long as possible". That equates to fast finishing times but leaves a lot of good runners in ruins. Personally, not my cup of tea.
The Berlin marathon lacked drama???
What drama did no pacers crawling Boston or Chicago had? I guess the same drama as the Rio 1,500m had or shall I say 1,100m warm up 400m dash- repulsive. Noone there should have gotten a medal. A slow race is not a race. A runner who runs slow even though he could run fast is a cowerd not a tactician. And above all, its boring to see people jogging and kikcking in the end, might as well turn the tv off and put back on in the last mile. But when a race starts with a fast pace and an attempt to break the WR things are getting more interesting very early in the race, and you have two adventures- winning and WR. Bekele said when you win a marathon running 2:10 you don’t have full happiness. Every amateur runner knows how good it feels to make a pb, and how bad it feels to give up to yourself. -
Pacers are meant to make sure that all kinds of johnny come slowly 2:09 guys won’t be in the lead pack and that only the best of the best would go along.
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Pray tell wrote:
Houlihan.Cragg.Huddle.Flanagan.com wrote:
The real competition at the 2018 Boston marathon is Shalane Flanagan versus Molly Huddle versus Jordan PTG Hasay.
USA women sweep Boston and take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.
Oh yeah.
What do you mean by [i]PTG[/u]?
My guess is he meant "pony tail girl" -
Bullet_Proof wrote:
Kipchogeee wrote:
runnerdave wrote:
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:
Ruppster wrote:
Most except Rupp’s fans would agree that Rupp is a 2:09 guy. As far as I recall there are no prizes for potential
good thing there is a prize for winning then since Rupp does that
Some comments in this thread put down races that are run in a tactical way. A classic example was the Rio Men's 1500. We've all seen races like that where, in the early part of the race, runners are practically jogging because nobody wants to take the lead. It's a bit infuriating, but that's what happens and all the competitors adjust to that. The finishing time might suck.
Now take an un-paced marathon that starts out in a similar way. Nobody takes it out at 2:04 pace, so everybody settles in to see what develops. As the race goes along, obviously the eventual winning time might not be 2:06 or 2:07. Does that mean those runners aren't 2:06 or 2:07-capable? Not really.
The men's marathon in Rio was won by Kipchoge in 2:08:44. Obviously, Kipchoge is only a 2:08 guy, right? No. The Rio race was run at a certain pace and nobody elected to go out and push it harder. Rupp ran 2:10 and took the bronze. Does that mean that all the other runners can't even run a 2:10? No, it doesn't.
So, Rupp has won the USA Olympic Trials marathon; he finished 3rd in Rio (against most of the world's best), he finished 2nd in Boston and won in Chicago.
Let's see..... Rupp has run 4 marathons and has been beaten by 3 people total. Do I have that right? That's not too shabby.
Perhaps if Boston offered time incentives, the lead pack might push harder from the start, but as it stands, the competitors want to win the thing, whatever the time will be.
Maybe somebody will "pull a Ryan Hall" at Boston and take it out at a really fast pace. Then we would see what Rupp can do. But if that doesn't happen, we should expect Rupp to go for the win.
I watched the Berlin marathon last year and found it lacked much drama until the final miles because there was no strategy. It was only "stay with the pacers as long as possible". That equates to fast finishing times but leaves a lot of good runners in ruins. Personally, not my cup of tea.
My god so many words...
Do you know Kipchoge isn’t a 2:08 guy?
Because he ran 2:03:05!
And why Rupp is a 2:09 guy? Because that’s what he has run so far!
He wants to be a 2:03 like Kipchoge? Go to Berlin or London and stop fooling around at your comfort zone in Boston and Chicago no pacer turtlish marathons
A Chicago Marathon win is more baller than a time trial race.
The Chicago Marathon race can be an interesting race ...but Mr. Galen Rupp will not be at that race.
For example:
2014 Chicago Marathon Top Finishers:
Finish Men's Top Finishers Time Women's Top Finishers Time
1 Eliud Kipchoge 2:04:11 Rita Jeptoo 2:24:35
2 Sammy Kitwara 2:04:28
3 Dickson Chumba 2:04:32
4 Kenenisa Bekele 2:05:51
5 Bernard Koech 2:08:30
6 Ghirmay Ghebreslassie 2:09:08
Women's Top Finishers:
1 Rita Jeptoo 2:24:35 (Coach Renato Canova said that Rita Jeptoo only used EPO before the race to help get her fitness up to 90% to help her recovery after an injury...and she only ran 2:24:35, so using EPO really made Rita Jeptoo slower... because she won Boston CLEAN in 2013...and then won Chicago CLEAN in 2013 with a time of 2:19:57... and then won Boston CLEAN in 2014 with a time of 2:18:57. It turns out that Rita did not win the $500,000 World Marathon Majors jackpot because of that darn positive OOC EPO test and 4 YEAR DOPING BAN!!!. Rita did not return any of the prize money to the people at the Boston Marathon. They are still waiting for Rita Jeptoo to RETURN THE MONEY THAT SHE WON BY BEING A DOPER-CHEATER-LIAR-FRAUD. THANKS A LOT RENATO CANOVA.)
2 Mare Dibaba 2:25:35
3 Florence Kiplagat 2:25:57
4 Birhane Dibaba 2:27:02
5 Amy Hastings 2:27:03
6 Clara Santucci 2:32:21
ha ha ha -
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Marathon-organisers-to-recover-Sh17-5m-from-disgraced-Jeptoo/539546-3490956-tsioib/
http://www.runblogrun.com/2016/12/boston-marathon-to-make-attempt-to-recover-175k-from-banned-runner-rita-jeptoo.html
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/11/dr-gabriele-rosa-talks-turning-stanley-biwott-jemima-sumgong-marathon-stars-doping-kenya/
Training Partner of Ms. Rita Jeptoo:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5060239/Jemima-Sumgong-handed-four-year-doping-ban.html
Go Renato!!! -
Renato Canova is also an expert on the use of EPO in the treatment of anemia caused by malaria in Kenyan 2:05 marathon runners.
...So, with regards to this athlete, I see a big issue: being able to come back from malaria.
... Filbert Bayi, the great world record setting miler, had recurring malaria.
rojo:
"What's your point? I hope you are making fun of RJM. EPO didn't exist when Bayi competed."
Doper Wilson Loyanane Erupe of Kenya won the 87th Seoul International Marathon yet again today, by running 2:05:13, a time which broke his own 2:05:37 course record. Mr. Erupe has won in Seoul on three different occasions – 2012 (2:05:37), 2015 (2:06:11) and today.
The win was very lucrative for Mr. Erupe as it netted him $180,000 as Seoul offers a ton of prize money – $80,000 for the win and $100,000 for a course record.
Kenya has banned three marathon runners for doping offences, including the first case of an athlete using the banned blood booster EPO, the country's national athletics body said on Thursday.
Wilson Loyanae Erupe, who won the 2012 Seoul marathon in a course record, and Nixon Kiplagat were each suspended for two years while Moses Kiptoo Kurgat received a one-year ban, Athletics Kenya (AK) said.
Erupe, 24, tested positive for EPO, or erythropoietin, in an out-of-competition test, making him the FIRST Kenyan athlete to be caught using the banned drug hormone which increases the number of red blood cells.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/kenya-bans-three-marathon-runners-doping-160713650--spt.html
The national Olympic body on Thursday withheld decision on naturalizing a Kenyan-born marathon runner with a doping history, citing the need to review his application further.
The Korean Olympic Committee (KOC) said it will need additional information from the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) regarding Wilson Loyanae Erupe and his positive doping test from 2012.
Erupe, 27, joined an athletics club run by the Cheongyang County Office in South Chungcheong Province last summer. He has won five races in South Korea, including Gyeongju International Marathon last October. His personal best time is 2:05:37, nearly two minutes faster than the South Korean record of 2:07:20, set by former Olympic silver medalist Lee Bong-ju in 2000.
Erupe, however, failed an out-of-competition doping test in 2012 and received a two-year ban from the International Association of Athletics Federations in early 2013.
MR. ERUPE (AND COACH RENATO CANOVA OF LETSRUN.COM) HAS CLAIMED HE WAS GETTING TREATED FOR MALARIA, EVEN THOUGH KENYA'S NATIONAL ATHLETICS FEDERATION DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIS THERAPEUTIC USE AT THE TIME.
(IT IS JUST A COINCIDENCE.)
Erupe faces another administrative hurdle in South Korea for his doping history. Under the KOC rules, an athlete who has served a doping ban is ineligible for any national team for three years following the end of the suspension. It would rule out Erupe for the 2016 Summer Games in Rio even if he's fast-tracked to South Korean citizenship.
However, Kang said the KOC will need to consider the fact that the KOC rule was instituted in July 2014, after Erupe's positive test.
Erupe, who has adopted a Korean name, "Oh Joo-han," which is translated as "I run for Korea," told reporters he'd love to help develop South Korean marathon further.
"I've won all five marathons I've run in South Korea, and I've fallen in love with the people's integrity here," he said. "Once I become naturalized, I will respect and honor the Korean tradition. I'd like to play a role where I can motivate younger athletes."
Hey Mr. Robert Johnson
HA HA HA -
Here is Coach Renato Canova's "Malaria Man":
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/culturesports/2016/01/07/74/0702000000AEN20160107009800315F.html
= Doper-Cheater-Liar-Fraud™= Total Joke -
Ruppster wrote:
Not only is Rupp a mediocre elite runner who isn’t at the top
What the hell? -
rjm33?
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Banana Bread wrote:
So now we know Rupp is a 1:01 guy(equivalent time on a record eligible(not Rupp certified) course)
That is a lot of analysis.
Coach Alberto has nothing to worry about.
http://www.runblogrun.com/2018/03/seb-coe-building-dedication.html -
Rupp has been competitive and won medals as a pro, but literally speaking, I'm not aware of any Diamond League race that Rupp has won.
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800 Metres 1:50.00 Palo Alto (USA) 02 MAY 2009
1500 Metres 3:34.15 Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2014
One Mile 3:52.11 London (GBR) 27 JUL 2013
3000 Metres 7:43.24 London (GBR) 13 AUG 2010
5000 Metres 12:58.90 Eugene (USA) 02 JUN 2012
10,000 Metres 26:44.36 Eugene (USA) 30 MAY 2014 AR
5 Kilometres 13:39 San José (USA) 25 NOV 2010
20 Kilometres 59:04 New Haven, CT (USA) 04 SEP 2017
Half Marathon 59:47 Ostia (ITA) 11 MAR 2018
Marathon 2:09:20 Chicago, IL (USA) 08 OCT 2017
