Does laura still speak to team mate Mo after 'Uncle Jama' got caught holding more than the watch?
Does laura still speak to team mate Mo after 'Uncle Jama' got caught holding more than the watch?
Why do people say things like this that are patently untrue. She may be a doper. And you could say the situation you've described makes her "guilty by association." Or "guilty of suspect judgment." Or any number of other serious accusations. But it doesn't mean she's committed a doping offense. Do people believe in the systems and processes of justice or don't they?
Devil Dog wrote:
No doping offenses?
Sorry, but when your coach is arrested at training camp with hundreds of loaded vials of EPO and steroids, has his passport banned, and is banned from the Olympics, with you present at the camp...you have committed a doping offense.
Now this is a good post. Why haven't we seen more come of this Aden bust?
Hill Run wrote:
What irks me a little is that if the Jama Aden bust was so obvious and clean cut why has their been no progression in the legal case? In the court of public opinion he is as guilty as sin and we have renowned international athletes such as Jenny Simpson and now Laura Muir revealing they believe wrongdoing by Dibaba.
Surely if Jama Aden was caught disposing of EPO syringes in the surrounds of the hotel as claimed then it is an open a shut case - so what is missing here? Have the general public been misled in order to support a narrative of sensationalism? - From what I’ve read it seems impossible he could have a decent and above board explanation for the situation, - note that I said “from what I’ve read” Perhaps there is another totally differing version of events that do not fit the doping narrative, - who knows?
But I do Find the whole hypocrisy with selective doping allegations to undermine “truth” This is especially prevalent within Great Briton. For example take LizMccolgan, she calls out Ayana As a doper every time she runs. Whilst at the same time congratulating Mo Farah for his performances. Also for a person who claims to be a crusader for clean sport, she has never criticised Jama Aden. I found this to be baffling until I discovered she knows Aden and is friends with him on Facebook !
What I take away from scenarios like this is that it is easy to doubt athletes you have no personal relationship or contact with. Most athletes - both past and present along with pundits within GB all know each other and mix at promotional & gala events. It’s very difficult to mistrust someone you mix with if they present as a decent person. Much easier to cast aspersions on an athlete if there are language and cultural divides and no personal connections.
I have noticed that none of Dibabas competitors acknowledge her at all which must be extremely awkward on the circuit and in the call room etc.
Devil Dog wrote:
No doping offenses?
Sorry, but when your coach is arrested at training camp with hundreds of loaded vials of EPO and steroids, has his passport banned, and is banned from the Olympics, with you present at the camp...you have committed a doping offense.
Furthermore...everyone who lived through it knew the Chinese times of the 90s were a farce. For her to smash their 1500m record, is another offense.
She's as dirty as it gets, no matter how pretty she is.
Suspicious links to Muir = 0
Dibaba/Aden =
➡Torrence has first hand knowledge and says they are dirty.
➡Hamza Drouich tested positive for EPO and he claimed Jama was forcing it into him.
➡Sabadell raid
➡times & medals
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Devil Dog wrote:
No doping offenses?
Sorry, but when your coach is arrested at training camp with hundreds of loaded vials of EPO and steroids, has his passport banned, and is banned from the Olympics, with you present at the camp...you have committed a doping offense.
Furthermore...everyone who lived through it knew the Chinese times of the 90s were a farce. For her to smash their 1500m record, is another offense.
She's as dirty as it gets, no matter how pretty she is.
Suspicious links to Muir = 0
Dibaba/Aden =
➡Torrence has first hand knowledge and says they are dirty.
➡Hamza Drouich tested positive for EPO and he claimed Jama was forcing it into him.
➡Sabadell raid
➡times & medals
+1
Nailed it as usual Subway ?
Er... wrote:
Why do people say things like this that are patently untrue.
She may be a doper. And you could say the situation you've described makes her "guilty by association." Or "guilty of suspect judgment." Or any number of other serious accusations. But it doesn't mean she's committed a doping offense. Do people believe in the systems and processes of justice or don't they?
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I'd say most of us don't. If you've been paying attention to the bribes and history of IAAF/papa diack, Swiss drug tester, and lack of transparency with the Aden situation, etc, er , you'd likely be keen to think the same. Only naïveté or lack of understanding would lead one to believe otherwise.
The idea that Muir is clean is cute. The dead giveaway she's on the sauce is her uppity moral prancing.
Er... wrote:
Do people believe in the systems and processes of justice or don't they?
Justice? Especially in Spain, where a court ordered to destroy the bags of blood found in possession of Eufemiano Fuentes?
100m wrote:
The idea that Muir is clean is cute. The dead giveaway she's on the sauce is her uppity moral prancing.
You fool!
If you had being beaten by an athlete that the evidence clearly points to being a cheat, wouldn't you be a bit uppity!
The problem with Laura is that she's too nice for her own good.
She should and complained about Hassan. Indeed, I would say that she was morally obliged to complain about Hassan.
It is no good for the sport to let cheats get away with things.
Note your need to resort to name-calling. What a gentleman.
The point is Dibaba is a cheat, and so is Muir. It would be stupid and irresponsible for an elite runner to not seek out any and all advantages possible, especially since the tests are painfully easy to beat.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Devil Dog wrote:
No doping offenses?
Sorry, but when your coach is arrested at training camp with hundreds of loaded vials of EPO and steroids, has his passport banned, and is banned from the Olympics, with you present at the camp...you have committed a doping offense.
Furthermore...everyone who lived through it knew the Chinese times of the 90s were a farce. For her to smash their 1500m record, is another offense.
She's as dirty as it gets, no matter how pretty she is.
Suspicious links to Muir = 0
Dibaba/Aden =
➡Torrence has first hand knowledge and says they are dirty.
➡Hamza Drouich tested positive for EPO and he claimed Jama was forcing it into him.
➡Sabadell raid
➡times & medals
.... Laura Muir does get the time and medals link? She is the fastest person behind Dibaba in this century?
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Suspicious links to Muir = 0
Dibaba/Aden =
➡Torrence has first hand knowledge and says they are dirty.
➡Hamza Drouich tested positive for EPO and he claimed Jama was forcing it into him.
➡Sabadell raid
➡times & medals
So you're thinking Muir is much better than Dibaba if everyone is clean instead of being right behind a supposed drug cheat.
Hill Run wrote:
What irks me a little is that if the Jama Aden bust was so obvious and clean cut why has their been no progression in the legal case? In the court of public opinion he is as guilty as sin and we have renowned international athletes such as Jenny Simpson and now Laura Muir revealing they believe wrongdoing by Dibaba.
Surely if Jama Aden was caught disposing of EPO syringes in the surrounds of the hotel as claimed then it is an open a shut case - so what is missing here?
The court of public opinion is not the same as a court of law. It may be totally legal in Spain to possess EPO and syringes. In which case, there is no legal case. I believe doping athletes is illegal in Spain, however, the athletes were tested and none had EPO in their systems. There is certainly strong circumstantial evidence, but with no hard evidence of doping, the authorities would probably lose in court.
It's unfortunate. If the Spanish police had busted Aden and his athletes and hour or two later they would likely have all been injected and caught with EPO in their systems and would be serving 4 year bans.
The Fokus wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Suspicious links to Muir = 0
Dibaba/Aden =
➡Torrence has first hand knowledge and says they are dirty.
➡Hamza Drouich tested positive for EPO and he claimed Jama was forcing it into him.
➡Sabadell raid
➡times & medals
So you're thinking Muir is much better than Dibaba if everyone is clean instead of being right behind a supposed drug cheat.
Well this is athletics, I can't verify that any body is clean, the sport is littered with cheats. But so far we have "no" links to suspicious people in Scotland for Muir. Muir won her first World medals over the weekend, potentially because Obiri, Simpson and Semenya (a gender cheat) were absent. Whereas, the list above ⤴for Aden is overwhelming, throw in the fact that the IAAF may have banned Aden from stadiums says it all.
Hill Run wrote:
What irks me a little is that if the Jama Aden bust was so obvious and clean cut why has their been no progression in the legal case?
Spain has a long history of drug busts in sport that have gone nowhere. The police found blood bags and all they needed to do was DNA test the blood, but still nothing. Spain is good at running, cycling, tennis and soccer for a reason.
CDA wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Suspicious links to Muir = 0
Dibaba/Aden =
➡Torrence has first hand knowledge and says they are dirty.
➡Hamza Drouich tested positive for EPO and he claimed Jama was forcing it into him.
➡Sabadell raid
➡times & medals
.... Laura Muir does get the time and medals link? She is the fastest person behind Dibaba in this century?
True...she is the fastest behind Dibaba this century but her PB is over 5 seconds behind Dibaba's WR (3:55.22/3:50.07). In the 5000, it's not even close, Muir's 14:52.07 comes nowhere near Dibaba's 14:15.41, which is 5th fastest ever!
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_1500ok.htm100m wrote:
Note your need to resort to name-calling. What a gentleman.
The point is Dibaba is a cheat, and so is Muir. It would be stupid and irresponsible for an elite runner to not seek out any and all advantages possible, especially since the tests are painfully easy to beat.
You think that. But that's because you are not an elite runner and so have no idea what goes through their head, only what goes through yours. Clearly you would cheat.
I would stake your left nut that she is clean as a whistle.
omygoodnes wrote:
I would stake your left nut that she is clean as a whistle.
That is quite a telling reply. Clearly, you wouldn't put your own at stake and thus do not believe your own blather when push comes to shove.
Hi there! wrote:
Does laura still speak to team mate Mo after 'Uncle Jama' got caught holding more than the watch?
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