Former high school sub 4 miler Michael Slagowski won an NAIA national championship today!

Calling a spade a spade wrote:

Hounddogharrier wrote:

Results I’m seeing say they won. He was also second in mile. Not too shabby. My guess is he is a Duck in 18 months.

Those ARE too shabby. Those are abysmal results. I feel bad for the guy and hope he is enjoying himself and getting healthy again but let's not lie to ourselves here and pretend he's running well. He's not.

He has run 4:10 in the mile indoors so far this season. Assuming that was not a really tactical race, then you're right and it isn't a great result for his talent level.

He also has run 1:19 on a moderately slow track indoors this year. That is a pretty reasonable result, probably equivalent to about 1:49 to 1:50 on the same track, so about 1:47 to 1:48 outdoor fitness right now.

In other words, he seems to be attempting to regroup. Maybe it will work out for him, maybe it wont, but I wouldnt judge his results too harshly. Lets see what he does outdoors, if he is healthy now through then, he may be back on track.

He ran the mile race poorly from a tactical standpoint. Definitely didn't look like a sub-4 guy, but he's definitely also in better than 4:10 shape. He let the lead get away from him and was in 8th for far too long. He trusted that 1:19 speed wayyy to much. In the DMR, he almost got run down by a team that started maybe a second behind them. However their DMR anchor was completely fresh and Slag had already finished 2 mile races.

You gotta be mental to think a 1:19 is worth a 1:47/8 outdoors. Take a quick look at any conference where the 600 is run and then check what PRs the 1:19 guys have. None are near 1:47 or 1:48.

Happy that the kid is still enjoying running and competing but to extrapolate these times into anything more than they are is just erogenous.

You gotta be mental to think a 1:19 is worth a 1:47/8 outdoors. Take a quick look at any conference where the 600 is run and then check what PRs the 1:19 guys have. None are near 1:47 or 1:48.

Happy that the kid is still enjoying running and competing but to extrapolate these times into anything more than they are is

Most 1:19 600m runners can't run a 3:59 mile

The conversion table is close to what he claimed putting it at 1:50. I looked at the PRs of guys in the 600 and 800 at the Big Ten Championships and they are remarkably close to the estimated times for verification. Guys who run 1:16 seem to run 1:46-1:47 and guys at 1:20 seem to run about 1:50. Slagowski is on the low end of his range also in the 600 making his improvement greater than others who would move up. He is probably in 1:50 shape and 1:49 outdoor.

Word of Mouth wrote:

Injury, depression, and a few bad habits.

1 / 3 at least you got the part about the injury right. The rest of that is just nonsense

lol_not_true wrote:

Word of Mouth wrote:

Injury, depression, and a few bad habits.

1 / 3 at least you got the part about the injury right. The rest of that is just nonsense

You're telling us a 3:59 high schooler transferred to the NAIA because of an injury and nothing more?

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Injury makes some sense. He is only an hour away from home too. If it was something more sinister, he should be back to running at the same level.

HI LRC

SLAG HERE

SLAG LIKE RUN. SLAG RUN GOOD.

SLAG GO TO PEN STATE. COLLEGE HARD. SLAG NO LIKE COLLEGE. SLAG MISS FAMILY. FAMILY NICE.

SLAG QUIT PENN STATE. SLAG GO HOME BE WITH NICE FAMILY.

SLAG GO TO LITTLE COLLEGE CLOSE TO HOME. CLASSES EASY. SLAG LEARN TO READ AND RITE REAL GOOD. SLAG RUN. SLAG START TO RUN GOOD AGAIN. SLAG LIKE RUN.

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Isn't this thread about naia? Must interest a few people.

I coached a kid to a 1:47 in the 800 and earlier that year he ran a 600m time trial in 1:21. So you are wrong, you can run 1:20 and then run 1:47-48.

Erogenous?!

Freud Dude wrote:

HoosierHarrier wrote:

You gotta be mental to think a 1:19 is worth a 1:47/8 outdoors. Take a quick look at any conference where the 600 is run and then check what PRs the 1:19 guys have. None are near 1:47 or 1:48.

Happy that the kid is still enjoying running and competing but to extrapolate these times into anything more than they are is just erogenous.

Erogenous?!

There does seem to be a lotta dudes here infapuated with him...

one man relayer wrote:

There does seem to be a lotta dudes here infapuated with him...

Yeah, and it's weird.

SLAG_DOG wrote:

HI LRC

SLAG HERE

SLAG LIKE RUN. SLAG RUN GOOD.

SLAG GO TO PEN STATE. COLLEGE HARD. SLAG NO LIKE COLLEGE. SLAG MISS FAMILY. FAMILY NICE.

SLAG QUIT PENN STATE. SLAG GO HOME BE WITH NICE FAMILY.

SLAG GO TO LITTLE COLLEGE CLOSE TO HOME. CLASSES EASY. SLAG LEARN TO READ AND RITE REAL GOOD. SLAG RUN. SLAG START TO RUN GOOD AGAIN. SLAG LIKE RUN.

C'mon man why are you being a dick?

SequenceRisk wrote:

I coached a kid to a 1:47 in the 800 and earlier that year he ran a 600m time trial in 1:21. So you are wrong, you can run 1:20 and then run 1:47-48.

That just shows the 1:21 wasn't a good indicator of his 1:47 potential. 1:21 is very slow for a 1:47 guy.

ex-runner wrote:

SequenceRisk wrote:

I coached a kid to a 1:47 in the 800 and earlier that year he ran a 600m time trial in 1:21. So you are wrong, you can run 1:20 and then run 1:47-48.

That just shows the 1:21 wasn't a good indicator of his 1:47 potential. 1:21 is very slow for a 1:47 guy.

you are all dumb. If you even split a 1:48.00 you come through 600m in 1:21.00 - it's 27.00 per 200.

But nobody even splits 800s. Most people running 1:48 will come through in about 1:19 or 1:20.

My old teammate Drew Windle, yes 1:44 Drew Windle, used to run a 600 time trial early in the season on our 147m track. He’d run something like 1:23 if I recall, then usually a month later run 1:19 or so on a 300m track, and by the end of the season he’d obviously be running 1:46.