The about to be lapped runner, instead of getting out of the way, would be better served doing the best they could to prevent being passed as they have nothing to lose.
The about to be lapped runner, instead of getting out of the way, would be better served doing the best they could to prevent being passed as they have nothing to lose.
fartleks and bagels wrote:
We should have a event where they run until there is one man standing.
Welcome to "Big's Backyard Ultra"...an event put on by Gary Cantrell, aka Laz, who is also the RD of the Barkley Marathons.
https://trailrunnermag.com/people/culture/bigs-backyard-ultra-a-race-with-no-end.htmlwe know the answer wrote:
ThinkAboutThat... wrote:
If that was put into place for last year's World Champs Womens 10000m
There would only be FOUR finishers out of the 30+ runners in the race lmao
One of them being an American record holder...
That would be an epic sight. Ayana cruising around the track solo while dozens of women get pulled off to the sidelines.
Hopefully by a shepherd's crook.
That's what happens in bicycle crits.
Bobby1 wrote:
That's what happens in bicycle crits.
I saw a race where the winner lapped the field and everyone didn't drop out.
1. You need to let them all finish to determine what place they finished at the world championships
2. See reason one
3. See reason two
I once won a 2 mile race where I lapped everyone, including the 2nd place guy while I was going around the last bend. It would have been dumb if everyone else was disqualified. Imagine: "You won the race, but were the only finisher? Who cares?"
What if the leader who lapped everyone then pulls a hamstring and DNFs?
hbhc wrote:
What if the leader who lapped everyone then pulls a hamstring and DNFs?
The officials that made up the dumb rules would get the result that they deserve.
I was pacing a teammate in a 10,000m he needed a 31:00 to qualify automatically for our division of nationals. I paced him through the first 5000m in 15:25 and we were lapped. I eventually kept pace dropped my teammates de-lapped myself and made up a lap to actually won the race in 30:11. I thought it was hilarious and laughed about it later in my hotel room trying to put myself in the guy I beat's footsteps thinking he had to have thought he won it easy and had to have felt pathetic loosing that one. My teammate ran 31:50 and ran nationals with a provisional.
StrangeThingsHappen wrote:
I was pacing a teammate in a 10,000m he needed a 31:00 to qualify automatically for our division of nationals. I paced him through the first 5000m in 15:25 and we were lapped. I eventually kept pace dropped my teammates de-lapped myself and made up a lap to actually won the race in 30:11. I thought it was hilarious and laughed about it later in my hotel room trying to put myself in the guy I beat's footsteps thinking he had to have thought he won it easy and had to have felt pathetic loosing that one. My teammate ran 31:50 and ran nationals with a provisional.
Do you mean to say that you came back from being lapped to win...and it wasn’t even a marathon on the track??? Impossible.
StrangeThingsHappen wrote:
I was pacing a teammate in a 10,000m he needed a 31:00 to qualify automatically for our division of nationals. I paced him through the first 5000m in 15:25 and we were lapped. I eventually kept pace dropped my teammates de-lapped myself and made up a lap to actually won the race in 30:11. I thought it was hilarious and laughed about it later in my hotel room trying to put myself in the guy I beat's footsteps thinking he had to have thought he won it easy and had to have felt pathetic loosing that one. My teammate ran 31:50 and ran nationals with a provisional.
Doesn't this mean that the guy who lapped you must have run around 14:15 for his first 5,000 then no faster than around 16:00 for the second half? Seems like someone who can run that fast would have better pacing than that. Or maybe my math is wrong?
ReasonsThree wrote:
Easy:
1. (Game theory, already given) It changes the strategy of a race in which an individual racer or team might try deliberately to almost-lap as many competitors as possible, so as to strategically disqualify others.
2. "About to be lapped" is undefined by you, which then turns a formerly objective event into a more subjective one. Disputes, instant replay, etc. would ensue and dilute an otherwise simpler sport.
3. "Pulling" a runner(s) about to be lapped would be quite dangerous, especially considering the runner about to be lapped has the leader(s) close behind. An official person or persons, or mechanical object/device, responsible for "pulling" the about-to-be-lapped runner(s) would present a clear safety hazard.
I always love me some game theory.
Your second point is easier than you make it sound. A rigid rule of 5 meters or 10 meters is simple. Or even easier is when someone gets behind by 350 meters, have them run in lane 3.
And I addressed your third point with the have them run in lane 3 thing. Sure, a few runners from tiny countries might miss national records but it’s better than impeding the top runners.
like roller derby wrote:
This would open the door to some hilarious team strategies. I'm picturing some team having their mid-pack 10,000m guy run balls out for the first 5K, lap a bunch of people, and then DNF after knocking a bunch of people from other teams out of the race.
+1 Exactly what I was thinking! Could even be worse. An athlete could run so fast from the start, lap everyone, say by seventh lap forcing everyone to be removed from the track, then jog the rest of the race to the finish line at his own pace!
It’s not that hardloper wrote:
Olympic or World Championship track isn’t actually designed for optimized top-level competition. It’s amazing how many “track fans” like hardloper don’t get this. If the best competition were the goal, there wouldn't be any fussing about flags and anthems, and there would be a lot more Kenyans in the 10k. These events are meant to foster international camaraderie and such. Pulling the slow runners off the track is counterproductive to the goals of inclusion and representation. Duh.
Yes, I agree with you. A race is not just for the gold, silver, and bronze medals. If I ran every day for 5 years to make a final of a race I shouldn't get booted off the track just because someone was born with a lighter scull than me!!!
Are we really the only two guys who commented on this?
ThinkAboutThat... wrote:
However, they SHOULD be aware and move on the outside lanes if they are going to get passed.
They can move out, but if you have been in or watched as many races as I have, you know why it's the norm they don't. No eyes in the back of their heads, tired, they move into the path of runners lapping them. It can be disaster. It's much much much safer to have the runner stick to the inside and know that's what they will do. If you don't know, it can be a nightmare. And imagine if that happens close enough to the finish to change the results.
WDC Runner wrote:
StrangeThingsHappen wrote:
I was pacing a teammate in a 10,000m he needed a 31:00 to qualify automatically for our division of nationals. I paced him through the first 5000m in 15:25 and we were lapped. I eventually kept pace dropped my teammates de-lapped myself and made up a lap to actually won the race in 30:11. I thought it was hilarious and laughed about it later in my hotel room trying to put myself in the guy I beat's footsteps thinking he had to have thought he won it easy and had to have felt pathetic loosing that one. My teammate ran 31:50 and ran nationals with a provisional.
Doesn't this mean that the guy who lapped you must have run around 14:15 for his first 5,000 then no faster than around 16:00 for the second half? Seems like someone who can run that fast would have better pacing than that. Or maybe my math is wrong?
True. I wonder if he meant 4600m in 15:25 or 5k in 15:55 or something. Cool story but the numbers seem off.
Hardloper wrote:
True. I wonder if he meant 4600m in 15:25 or 5k in 15:55 or something. Cool story but the numbers seem off.
I meant 4800* not 4600
I'll give you one reason - drugs.
What if say the top 7 runners subsequently fail drug tests down the road? Perhaps the true champion was the one who got lapped.
Hardloper wrote:
Reason 1: its your idea
Reason 2: who gives a f
Reason 3:see 1
Thank you
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
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