The stupidity on LRC is staggering as usual. I´ve seen a video with one of the brojos trying to do it completely out of shape and he didn´t break 65.
The stupidity on LRC is staggering as usual. I´ve seen a video with one of the brojos trying to do it completely out of shape and he didn´t break 65.
Not Cool Bro wrote:
pitspits wrote:
You think there's a few million people currently able to break 60 seconds for a quarter today if they had to?
No way. That's just way too many people. Maybe if they trained.
Heck I was an All-American XC runner, and I couldn't even break 60 when I tried. I know I'm in the minority of having zero fast-twitch, but those millions still couldn't do it without some training first.
Yeah agreed. I was no All-American, but I couldn't get much under 60 even when I was in sub-15 5k shape. Without training, most people are not going to have the fitness to do it.
Lucky you. I ran a 51 but couldn't break 15
10 million.
I did it twice in middle school not even training for it, didn’t even train for the 800 really wasn’t hard, split 57 on the 4x4 and eased up and then 59 in the open
Even after being sick for months and being a 15k plus guy right now I went out last week and did 62 with a 33-29 split
There’s 9–10 year old girls that can go low 60s these days even
I'm lucky to be on the last turn when the clock ticks 60, hehe. Honestly doing a 100m under 15s is a challenge for me these days
44 and slow over here [~at about 20 flat in a 5k], can still swim 100m under a minute tho [slow yes, but probably equivalent to 400m under a minute]
If 1 in 100 could do it that is 70 million people. I don't think people understand how many 7 billion is.
There were almost exactly 100 boys in my graduating highschool class (at an athletic but all-white school). There were six seniors on our track team that were verified sub 53 guys. There were also two 40-41 sec 300 hurdlers who could undoubtedly break 60. I can think of four more baseball players in my class who could definitely break 60 without any training. There had to be at least another 2 or 3 guys kicking around the school who could go sub 60 if they were running from the cops/dogs. That makes 15 out of 100.
Call that 15 percent of the young adult male population as sub 60 capable for a very conservative estimate. People from West Africa will most likely be faster while some other ethnicities will be slower. There are 7 billion people in the world which means 3.5 billion males. Approximately 1 billion of those will be in the 15-30 age bracket. At fifteen percent that means 150 million males give or take a few dozen million can go sub 60.
Not a College Runner wrote:
some numbers wrote:
I went to a predominantly black high school in south florida
I don't think there was a single black person who came out for the track team that didn't run sub-60 in their first race or relay leg
I understand that the ones on the track team have self-selected
But I wouldn't feel bad guessing that 10% of the black american population aged 15-25 could do it
Probably. Because many or most have played other sports their whole lives.
But even so, that is a tiny fraction of Americans, let alone the global population. Anyone over 40 or 23 or so BMI has absolutely no chance. Anyone undernourished has no chance. Anyone under 12 has absolutely no chance. 99 percent of women have no chance. You're looking at a pretty small percentage that are even in the conversation. Almost all of these people could not break 60 if they had to do it today. Some could after a few months of training.
The number ends up well under 1 percent. Maybe 5-10 million at most.
I have a BMI of 23.8 (6’2” 182lbs) and I do repeat 400’s in 58+/- and ran a 53 last weekend and that was a bad race... many sprinters have a BMI of well over 23 but their strong and fast. Probably can’t run a good 5k but that isn’t a requirement to run 400m fast.
When I was in HS, we were two that could do it (my school did not have a track team).
When I was in grade school nobody could do it.
Where I work, nobody can do it (including myself)
Where my father lives (old age home), nobody can do it.
I would say less than 0.05%
In the world, 80,000,000
mcguck wrote:
Not easy but probably a lot... wrote:
I can still run under a minute and I’m over 50. I have a nephew who’s not a runner and he can run under 60- he’s 16. There are probably a bunch of runners on the track/cross country team at his high school that are faster than him. So, there are probably a lot of young people that can do it if they trained for it.... though having said that I do know older runners (over 40) that can and have done it but not many.
I'm 41 and while training for a half marathon I jumped in a 400m race at my local track and banged out a 56 having never trained for it.
You should be able to run well under 80 min for that half-marathon with some training.
Gravy wrote:
Sub 60 takes ZERO talent.
That's crazy to say. I've run under 4:30 for the mile, but my max 400m speed was 60.5
How come I didn't go sub-60? Because it still takes some talent.
westsouthrunner wrote:
Not Cool Bro wrote:
Yeah agreed. I was no All-American, but I couldn't get much under 60 even when I was in sub-15 5k shape. Without training, most people are not going to have the fitness to do it.
Lucky you. I ran a 51 but couldn't break 15
Lucky him? You're the lucky one. He had no talent and probably worked his ass off. You running 51 shows you had tons of talent.
On my kids track team - high school with 4K students - there are 2 or 3 girls who can run sub 60. There are a lot of soccer players and some Bball players who could probably get under 60 or train a few weeks and make it. I would say that 10 of 2000 on the female side could do it, and these kids are in their prime. On the guys side, it's a bit harder to say. I think there are 10 of 2000 who could run under 54 from their school. As for guys under 60, probably around 100. Very few people, in high school can break 60 unless they work out or play a sport that has them doing a fair amount of running.
Come on people, sub 60 is not some unimaginable feat. Many males ranging in age from 15-35 are probably capable of sub 60 easy. Sub 60 is actually not astounding for some talented girls/women. Very good, but not phenomenal. On the men's side, many 400m runners break 60 without struggle. Many sprinters break 60 easily. Many distance runners break 60 with ease. Think of it this way, including runners/basketball/football players in the world alone (which make up a good portion of athletes), how many do you think could go sub 60? Now, add everybody else. I'd say a million is definitely a low guess. 20 mil is high in my opinion, but I would believe you if you told me 8-12 million could do it.
Wow, more stupid slow-twitch Letsrunners. How unsurprising.
Just because you are slow-twitch and run a mile at close to your 400 pace doesn't mean you "train harder" than anyone else. It means you were born with more slow twitch fiber.
If your unbelievably stupid views actually held true, Usain Bolt would be the best runner from 100 to ultra marathon ever to live if he so tried. Guess what? He couldn't do that in a million years.
Just because someone runs 51 doesn't mean they will even be able to break 2 for an 8, even if that is an exaggerated number.
Your useless anecdotal evidence is just that, useless. Please stop posting about physiology until you are a little more well-informed.
I would guess you have to be between around the ages of 14 and 35 and a decent athlete and fit. Out of 8 Billion people: I would guess 400 million.
ACL Thief wrote:
Wow, more stupid slow-twitch Letsrunners. How unsurprising.
Just because you are slow-twitch and run a mile at close to your 400 pace doesn't mean you "train harder" than anyone else. It means you were born with more slow twitch fiber.
If your unbelievably stupid views actually held true, Usain Bolt would be the best runner from 100 to ultra marathon ever to live if he so tried. Guess what? He couldn't do that in a million years.
Just because someone runs 51 doesn't mean they will even be able to break 2 for an 8, even if that is an exaggerated number.
Your useless anecdotal evidence is just that, useless. Please stop posting about physiology until you are a little more well-informed.
You're not very smart. 400m speed is THE barometer for distance running talent (800m-10k). The faster your natural 400m speed is, the easier it is to go faster for longer races, assuming you train for them. Any coach who's been in the field for any length of time understands this.
Funnily enough on Saturday I witnessed a very talented 6 Year old by the name of Jason Grimshaw run 59.7 ! Bright future ahead of him if he can injury free, and not be lured into the vices of Alcohol and gambling like his father.
We are talking of doing it right now. No extra training.
As other pointed out, I don't know anybody at my workplace that could do it. In my running group less than 10% of people can break 60. The number of people in the US that runs on a semi-regular basis is ~20% of the total population.
So we have 10% of 20% ~ 2% of the total population, that I think is a reasonable number; probably an overestimate due to the fact that people running in a training group are probably representative of the faster end of the spectrum of all the people that jogs on a regular basis.