The title says it all.
I say 14:50ish. I’m not really sure though. Any thoughts or examples?
Minimum 5000m time needed for OTQ Marathon (2:19:00)?
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That sounds just about right as a minimum. I know about a dozen friends or former teammates who have run sub-2:19 and the slowest I can think of was right around there. But I probably know almost equally many 14:20ish guys who didn't hit 2:19, even with proper training.
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I would say 16:28, which is the average 5k time for a 2:19 mary.
In all seriousness, Hanson's calculator says 14:30. I don't think there is a solid answer because a person training for 2:19 marathon might never race a competitive, fast 5k when they are in peak marathon shape. Conversely, you can get yourself into peak 5k shape without doing anything close to 2:19 mary training. We are talking about a race that is over 8 times the distance of the other race. -
I'm working with a guy now who went just under 2:19 and ran the trials in 2016. He never broke 14:50 - his PR is just under 14:55.
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There is no minimum.
The maximum is probably about 14:30-50 -
My spouse ran 14:50ish for a road 5K around the time he ran his 2:18 PR at the Trials. His track PRs are a lot faster but were run 8+ yrs before.
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Wonderer1 wrote:
The title says it all.
I say 14:50ish. I’m not really sure though. Any thoughts or examples?
I can't recall his name (and was unable to find it via internet research) but in the late 70s/early80s there was a local ace in the New York/tri-state area who ran a sub-2:20 marathon without ever cracking 16 for 5k (Yes, sixteen minutes).
That might sound preposterous, as we're talking here about maintaining 5:20 per mile for a marathon yet being unable to go faster than 5:09 pace for a measly 5k, but it was true. The guy was an anomaly who had only one gear, but he could stay in that gear nearly all day. -
Local blue collar guy Matt Pelletier has a listed 5k PR of 14:36. Not sure when that was from. During a lot of marathon build-ups where he has hit the standard his road times seem to be in the 14:50-15:30 range.
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5k is completely irrelevant to the marathon.
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As an anecdote, my PRs are:
14:51
2:17:49
But that 5k was from much earlier, a few months before I ran 2:22. It would be very difficult to go -
Knew of a local guy years ago who ran 2:22-24 a slew of times. He tried several times to make OT qualifier, just never quite there. Think his 5K PR was maybe 15:50's, but he only 'raced' them for his marathon 'speedwork.' I believe he was capable of at least low 15's.
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Typically, a sub 2:20 requires a 30:00 10K. A 30:00 10K is 2 x 5K PR plus 1-min. That would be a 5K PR at 14:30. Of course, everyone is different, but this generally the speed required.
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There is a guy around here named Matt Fecht who has been running road 5K's in the 15:30-16:30 range and he recently qualified for his third Olympic Trials with a 2:17:xx.
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LovingAnonymously wrote:
Knew of a local guy years ago who ran 2:22-24 a slew of times. He tried several times to make OT qualifier, just never quite there. Think his 5K PR was maybe 15:50's, but he only 'raced' them for his marathon 'speedwork.' I believe he was capable of at least low 15's.
to clarify, I meant -
KS wrote:
LovingAnonymously wrote:
Knew of a local guy years ago who ran 2:22-24 a slew of times. He tried several times to make OT qualifier, just never quite there. Think his 5K PR was maybe 15:50's, but he only 'raced' them for his marathon 'speedwork.' I believe he was capable of at least low 15's.
to clarify, I meant
whoops forgot about that less than sign situation..
to clarify, I meant sub 15:00 on the track. but you don't have to jump through the shorter distance hoops before taking a shot at 2:19. you can improve your shorter distance times just by marathon training (or other training) in many cases -
Smoove wrote:
I'm working with a guy now who went just under 2:19 and ran the trials in 2016. He never broke 14:50 - his PR is just under 14:55.
This is what I'm hoping for. My pr is 14:53 and I hope that a few years of consistent training will unearth a little marathon potential. -
Runn262 wrote:
Typically, a sub 2:20 requires a 30:00 10K. A 30:00 10K is 2 x 5K PR plus 1-min. That would be a 5K PR at 14:30. Of course, everyone is different, but this generally the speed required.
Typically maybe, but I know plenty of guys that will never break 30 that have run under 2:20. 30 min 10k is more equal to 2:18. -
Other options wrote:
Runn262 wrote:
Typically, a sub 2:20 requires a 30:00 10K. A 30:00 10K is 2 x 5K PR plus 1-min. That would be a 5K PR at 14:30. Of course, everyone is different, but this generally the speed required.
Typically maybe, but I know plenty of guys that will never break 30 that have run under 2:20. 30 min 10k is more equal to 2:18.
PAULA RADCLIFFE
Personal best(s)
5000 m: 14:29.11
10,000 m: 30:01.09
Half Marathon: 1:05:40
Marathon: 2:15:25 WR -
Bib #1 wrote:
Other options wrote:
Runn262 wrote:
Typically, a sub 2:20 requires a 30:00 10K. A 30:00 10K is 2 x 5K PR plus 1-min. That would be a 5K PR at 14:30. Of course, everyone is different, but this generally the speed required.
Typically maybe, but I know plenty of guys that will never break 30 that have run under 2:20. 30 min 10k is more equal to 2:18.
PAULA RADCLIFFE
Personal best(s)
5000 m: 14:29.11
10,000 m: 30:01.09
Half Marathon: 1:05:40
Marathon: 2:15:25 WR
Exhibit #1! -
As another example - my best marathon time is 2:19:30 and my 5km is 14:48.
