Can Coleman get Bolts 9.58?

Insane to think that a guy who has improved his 60m time by over a tenth of a second already--with probably a sub 6.30 to come if needed--and who already ran 9.82 at 21, is not going to run low 9.7, possibly high 9.6 this year. Every sprinter can get injured. Coleman's stayed quite healthy so far.

With all due respect, I highly doubt there is anyone who can legitimately record a 56 inch vertical. I think many people confuse a true vertical with a box jump. However, I do think some of those crazy YouTube dunkers can get close to or slightly over 50 inches in a running vertical, but not 56.

Star wrote:

Coleman ran .12 slower than his own PR at WCs last year so why would you uses any stats from that race?

It's very unlikely that Coleman ever runs under 9.60. I get that.

But every record out there was very unlikely until it happened.

No one saw Bolt running 9.69 the year before he actually did it.

Bc there is no biomechanical analysis of NCAA semis where he ran 9.82. That’s why I guessed at it.

He does not have the form, mechanical levers, or power levels to come close to the record. He would need to go 6.20 in the race to have a shot at 9.65 or faster. No chance. Even with FloJo level drugs. No chance.

[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

Can Coleman break Bolts 100m WR? Hes clearly got the acceleration, but does he have the top speed like Bolt did? Does his dominance in the 60m mean anything for the OD season?

Maybe he can get the previous record but not 9.58. I would love to be proven wrong though. I am still under the impression that de grasse is better than him.

ezby wrote:

No.

He clearly does NOT have the acceleration. Bolt ran 6.31 in his 100 record.

And no, he clearly does not have the top speed that Bolt does. The best part of Coleman's race is the start. The worst part of Bolt's race is the start. Add another 40m and Coleman is out of the picture compared to '09 Bolt form.

Exactly

Good post

AJ2000 wrote:

just an FYI Bolts 6.31 was outdoor with a slight wind behind his back!

For those who want to work a little math.

go check bolts split figures for each 10m against his stride length and rate

and the get the figures from Colemans 60 this weekend (which again FYI if you need reminding is from February!!!!!)

What I think you may be able to work out is, that although stride length might not be as high his rate is higher! if he can maintain the rate for longer there is a very strong chance indeed, though I predict a 9.67 this year

I believe bolt also ran 6.32 with 0.0 wind en route to 9.69. Not sure, but did altitude play a small factor in Colemans time? Either way, hard to say what Coleman will be capable of the next few years, but it is good to see someone running fast times again.

I think there might be some confusion about the vertical jump in this thread. There are two different vertical jumps. A standing vertical where you jump up off two feet without taking a step and a max vertical where you can run into it and gain momentum.

There aren't many people on earth who can jump 40 inches in a standing vertical. I would be surprised to learn that any elite sprinters don't have a pretty solid standing vertical which would be say 36 inches or higher. It's a measure of your natural explosive power. They don't do it in the NFL combine to figure out who has been working out the most. They do it to determine how has the best genetic ability. The 40 yard dash or any sprint is very similar. You can improve your results in both of them but not by that much.

The max vertical is what everyone in YouTube and everywhere else is talking about when they say they can jump 40 or 50 inches or higher. It would generally be higher in an athlete who's training is focused on jumping all the time so a sprinter wouldn't usually score high in this because their training is focused on something else.

There are obviously a few people here who understand this but there are also people here who think Randy Moss wasn't doing any training when he was in college so the spectrum of rational thought is pretty varied around here.

I will say this. The greatest 100 m sprinter can jump better than the best vert jumper can sprint. If you have the highest vert this is not a good indicator of speed. I will concede that you need a pretty good vert to be a world class sprinter but I doubt it's a standing 40"+.

weakermind wrote:

well looks like you crawled back to your moms bed....but im still proving my point.

you prob dont remember this guy, but he crushed bolt, gay and gatlin at one point.

this article says he had 4.37 40yrd speed and a 40+ vert since he was a FRESHMAN!

maybe he isnt fast enough for you with PR's of

10.00

19.63

44.53 (43 relay split)

oh and he was 6'3....with better form and if he had stayed away from the gang bangin life style he might have been right there with bolt...who knows

I meant to say that I don't believe that a standing 40 vert is necessary to beat Bolt.For all intents and purposes jumping up is completely unrelated to sprinting.

YOU REQUIRE 0 ASS FOR JUMPING UP. LET ME REPEAT THAT AGAIN: YOU REQUIRE 0 ASS FOR JUMPING UP.Sprinting is the EXACT opposite.

The last person who tried to challenge Bolt's record had a nasty injury and was told by the German Specialist, your body can only do so much. Running under 9.7s requires special muscles and long strides. Coleman lacks these attributes. But in the Spirit of Ego Boosting he will attempt it, but trust me he will end up with a career ending injury in the process.

galenruppisgod wrote:

I will say this. The greatest 100 m sprinter can jump better than the best vert jumper can sprint. If you have the highest vert this is not a good indicator of speed. I will concede that you need a pretty good vert to be a world class sprinter but I doubt it's a standing 40"+.

weakermind wrote:

well looks like you crawled back to your moms bed....but im still proving my point.

you prob dont remember this guy, but he crushed bolt, gay and gatlin at one point.

this article says he had 4.37 40yrd speed and a 40+ vert since he was a FRESHMAN!

maybe he isnt fast enough for you with PR's of

10.00

19.63

44.53 (43 relay split)

oh and he was 6'3....with better form and if he had stayed away from the gang bangin life style he might have been right there with bolt...who knows

i think most of you guys dont seem to get it.

when i was a senior in hs there was a freshman kid who had a 39" vert...and for f*cks sake people when did i ever say running vertical? no STANDING vert. like i explained earlier a standing vert with training can only improve a small amount like a V02max...it shows NATURAL explosiveness.

anyways this kid had a 39", and naturally he had the fastest 40yd on the football team. he ended up running a 10.63 as a senior. when i was in JUCO a one demario wesely was on the team, he was 10.22 or so in hs and his 4x100 still has the hs record. he was only around 5'8 or so, and in pick up basketball games his CHIN would get above the rim. it was strange to watch cause he would jump out the of the gym and was so uncoordinated while in flight.

i know he isnt "fast" enough for you LR snobs, but he did run a 10.09w that year at texas relays, and a 6.66 at UofH....the time isnt that impressive, but he fell out of the blocks and was SUPER dead last and finally ran all out. all other times he would crush the start and run just hard enough to win usually 6.68 range. but that time he HAD to run all out, flew by everyone in the last 5m or so. i have no doubts if he would have run that hard everytime he would have been low 6.50 range.

but all you slow twitch moran LR 38yr old virgin ex NAIA distance runners know soooo much about the PURE athletisism of sprinters. again get sprintgeezer on here and ask him if im wrong. i dont think he is the guru of all gurus but you guys do and don think i know sh*t about track and field

you want to sprint fast? 95% of the time you will need a large STANDING VERT. at the hs level you might be able to get by with an average vert and decent form or below average vert and AMAZING form. but i will bet that your FASTEST HS 100m sprinters have the biggest verts, and i would bet that the fastest sprinters in college have BIG verts, and i would bet you the top elite sprinters have 39+ inch verts.

PROVE ME WRONG, dont just say "i dont think so...."

i have shown that dwain had 40+, gay said it was "40 something" and gatlins was shown at the NFL combine at 40.5.....FOR STANDING VERT. you a$$holes who say im wrong only have an opinion. show me the FACTS on top sprinters with a small vert.

sh*t i remember reading that marion JONES could dunk, so her vert must have been short too

you are such a moran, but with your handle it makes perfect sense that you dont know sh*t about sprinting.

the vertical is an explosive collection of LEG muscles, most people think its the calfs and no its the tibialis anterior and your hammys.

the tibialis generates all that power off your BIG toe...now mr smarter pants who is a heel striker, when one is sprinting not just coming out of the blocks, where is the power being applied on the track? is it

a) the heel

b) the BIG toe

i would think the heel cause having a large vertical means nothing, bolt had a 12" vert and was a heel striker

oh and the person earlier who said mo greene and ato had small verts.....right as if ato was some 18" chump as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqJAkdw2al4

yeah i know its not a STANDING vert, but you cant jump this high with a small vertical. stop being f*cking dumb

found this.....but im sure its wrong cause heel striking ex NAIA 16:30 5k guys know waaaay more about sprinting

BRIAN URLACHER

When he was in high school he was hammered about his lowerbody in the weight room. His coach didn’t mind if they didn’t get all their upper body in, as long as they got in their squats and power cleans.

He stands at 6’4 and 260lbs, he runs 4.57 in the 40yard dash, and has a 38 inch vertical leap. He can power clean 410lbs, and squats 550lbs!

VERNON DAVIS

The 49ers tight end has been branded as a freak of nature. At 6’3 and 252lbs, he can run a 4.38 second 40 yard dash and has a 42 inch vertical. He’s also an obsessive weight lifter who can squat 680lbs and power clean 365lbs.

BEN JOHNSON

There are unverified rumors floating around that Ben Johnson didn’t do any plyometric training. His main focus was heavy weights and sprinting. I’ve even read that he wouldn’t run more than 100m because he wanted to be as quick and explosive, and have as many fast twitch fibres available as possible.

Ben Johnson was extremely explosive and was infamous for having one of the best starts of his era. This is directly related to him being able to squat 605lbs for 5 reps, when he only weighed 190lbs!

Now I don’t want to speculate about steroids helping him lift so much weight, but you simply can’t ignore the correlation between his strength to his speed and explosiveness.

MAURICE GREENE

Former world record holder running 9.79 seconds in the 100m can squat 505lbs at a weight of 170. This gave him a huge vertical leap and an amazing start out of the blocks.

MATT SHIRVINGTON

An Australian sprinter, very well known for his explosive starts and can easily power clean 120kg and squat 200kg. He does all of this while weighing only 80kg.

NICU VLAD

A 225lb world record holding weightlifter once recorded a 42 inch vertical leap! Recorded with absolutely no warm up and wearing very cumbersome and heavy weightlifting shoes.

MARK HENRY

WWE wrestler who was at the Olympics for weightlifting can at 6’3, easily dunk a basketball. This is incredible, considering he weighs 385lbs! Along with his world class snatches and clean and jerks, he can squat 1050 pounds and deadlift 920 pounds.

BROCK LESNAR

Former amateur and professional wrestler, UFC fighter Brock Lesnar is an astounding athlete. He once tried out for the NFL and at 6’3 and 283 lbs recorded a 4.65 40 yard dash and a 35 inch vertical. This is crazy, and its not even taking into consideration that he was recovering up from a very serious motorcycle accident a few weeks prior to the test!

He with ease, also bench presses 475 pounds and squats 695 pounds.

FRED ‘DR SQUAT’ HATFIELD

Powerlifter who at 255 pounds can squat over 1000pounds! No wonder he has recorded a vertical leap of 40 inches.

Although squats and power cleans aren’t the only 2 exercises to help increase vertical leap, you cannot ignore the underlying theme amongst all these athletes. They are all extremely strong, in relation to their bodyweight in these 2 lifts. If you're interested in vertical jumping and want to jump higher then these may be the exercises that give you the extra inches you're looking for.

In what world has someone ever said calves are important for vert? They are by the way. It's all about the quads though for vert.Again, the correlation between 40 yard time and vert is not great-and vert and 100 m is even weaker.

weakermind wrote:

you are such a moran, but with your handle it makes perfect sense that you dont know sh*t about sprinting.

the vertical is an explosive collection of LEG muscles, most people think its the calfs and no its the tibialis anterior and your hammys.

the tibialis generates all that power off your BIG toe...now mr smarter pants who is a heel striker, when one is sprinting not just coming out of the blocks, where is the power being applied on the track? is it

a) the heel

b) the BIG toe

i would think the heel cause having a large vertical means nothing, bolt had a 12" vert and was a heel striker

Bolt's not bolts. He is not a rivet.

You know what would be awesome is if everytime someone made a claim about a vertical jump mark it had to be substantiated with video of a standing vertical being measured by a vertec or similar system. Anything else should be dismissed as garbage.

ex-runner wrote:

Ok anyone who has watched Bolt race even once understands that he is remarkable not in the first 60m but from 50m to the finish.

That is where his top end speed blows everyone else away and it's where Coleman would need to SIGNIFICANTLY improve

So you're saying that in order to run faster he would need to improve.

I disagree.

I think he can run significantly faster without significantly improving.

i think he can run faster if he gets his vertical to drop to say 12" and becomes a heel striker.