speed for need wrote:
speed skating would be awesome if it were raced like track. like short track speed skating but with maybe 12 dudes in the race on the bigger track. it would be total chaos and fun AF.
Winter Olympics could just add it, its not like they are at all concerned with the number of events or diluting the brand.
Hill should not only have been DQd but had his azz kicked by the two guys in front of him. I have no idea what Hill was doing there.
Frank Marshall Davis wrote:
If it had affected the outcome, Hill would have been disqualified.
If this was international competition and a French North African had been in fourth, France would have protested both Kipchirchir's and Hill's finishes.
I agree. If this was an international race, I think there would have been a French protest and possibly a DQ. If this was the NOP, there might have been a protest and a DQ.
I really think the poster below nails it perfectly.
You can talk hot on the INTERNET BOY that's that groupie ish wrote:
I'd just let it slide. Didn't affect placing. Either DQ both or no one IMO. The guy passing cut him off and was inconsiderate, he should have just continued outside. The guy being passed should not have gave a two handed shove because it obviously just looks bad. Perhaps he thought he could have fell or had no shot at win from being impeded is his justification. But again, the shove just looks bad. Good thing no one fell. I like officials being strict but not too strict like centre of attention type of thing. If no one ever got DQ, unethical people would try to get away with a lot more nonsense.
There was zero reason for Kipchirchir to be coming down on hill. It was the final turn of the race. There would be no other turns so no need to come down into lane one when he didn't have clear separation. In horse racing, a move like that could get you DQd.
But my main thought is the officially generally almost never are going to allow someone to extend their arms and shove them. I guess Hill could say he was trying to prevent a fall for both of them but if this was an international race, I think most people are instinctively going to see someone's arm fully extended on the back of another runner and instantly DQ the person doing the shove.
Hill tried to close the gap which was there for the cut in. That's what caused the two runners to come together and Hill two hand shove the guy. There was plenty of room for the cut in.
It's hard to see from the clip, but Hill does not appear to run right on the curb, certainly after the shove, he is in the middle of the lane, while Kipchirchir is pushed out to Lane 2. Kipchirchir did not appear to make a sharp incursion before the shove, and there's no right to being given space to overtake on the inside.
It's also ok not to sanction anyone if there was no protest, but clearly, had Kipchirchir not qualified, he would have had a good reason to protest. There is never an excuse for pushing another runner during a race.
Kip didn’t even cut him off. He just passed him and stayed on the line of lane 1 and 2. On the Lane line between lanes one and two which is where you should run. Outdoors maybe a DQ ,but indoors: and that's why they call it indoor track.
Didn't see the entire race, but from this clip it looks like Hill shoves him out of frustration, not "to let him know he was there."
hamburglar wrote:
It appears that Kipchirchir is racing and a little rubbing is racing. This should be overlooked.
Hill however intentionally throws a push in the back. Not a part of the race. Should be pulled from the results.
This is the right answer.
If you are able to push someone in the BACK, they have GONE BY YOU.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Or maybe Bumbi is DQd,” he said.
Now that is a good line?
If Saladbar finds out that Hill or Kip's time pushes Rupp down a place in the 2018 indoor 3000 rankings, he will probably protest retroactively.
passed tense wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
It appears that Kipchirchir is racing and a little rubbing is racing. This should be overlooked.
Hill however intentionally throws a push in the back. Not a part of the race. Should be pulled from the results.
This is the right answer.
If you are able to push someone in the BACK, they have GONE BY YOU.
I saw Kipchirchir push today.
DQ the Army Kenya guy. They have no clue how to race. Watched the mile and they were at it again, all over the place, cutting people off.
Kenya guy in 3k clearly leaned into hill and cut him off.
And that cut off was a desperate & deliberate move to cut off Hill’s lane to the finish.
I.E. these guys DON’T know how to race!
Screwem123 wrote:
I'll support a true american(born) any day, but a shipper screw you all. This is America, not an open country. You'll get an back ryan!
1. You can't spell.
2. You can't use punctuation.
3. Isn't the entire concept of the country that it IS open?
4. What is a shipper?
Watch the gif and closely observe Hill's legs. He doesn't have to chop his stride, slow, or change his line in the least.
We have all been in races where we are cut in on, even boxed, and you can't just put two hand up and SHOVE a guy in the middle of the back.
passed tense wrote:
Watch the gif and closely observe Hill's legs. He doesn't have to chop his stride, slow, or change his line in the least.
We have all been in races where we are cut in on, even boxed, and you can't just put two hand up and SHOVE a guy in the middle of the back.
he decided to stay on inside rail right behind the leader with someone closing fast from behind in the last 100 meters of a race. its as if he was daring someone to box him in. he reminds me of a hs runner who thinks he has to always stay on the inside lane so he doesn't run extra distance!!
Frank Marshall Davis wrote:
If it had affected the outcome, Hill would have been disqualified.
If this was international competition and a French North African had been in fourth, France would have protested both Kipchirchir's and Hill's finishes.
While said French North African was holding up 2 fingers crossing the line and taking off his singlet. He might even assault any mascot on the track.
