Two 600m times of 1:26 (time trials were yesterday). I'm an assistant coach, need help figuring out which one could run the faster 800m for a meet in a couple weeks.
Runner 1- 1:26.9 (25.8, 29.4, 31.7)
Runner 2- 1:26.7 (27.8, 29.5, 29.4)
Which runner do you think can run the faster 800m? It's only the second week of the season but my goal is to have both of them at 1:55 by the end of the year. Runner 2 impressed me with his 2nd and third 200m. If I had to say right now, I'd say he could probably finish out the 800 faster than runner #1 considering how slow his final 200 was, but that's just me.
Any feedback is welcome! It is going to be a big meet. Thank you.
Which runner can run a faster 800m
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Runner 1 is better, he just paces like a moron.
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Honestly close your eyes and throw a dart at their names. They are both going to finish similarly, although I am leaning towards runner #2. He managed to close a 2 second gap, which in a 600 is pretty impressive, and shows he has both the speed and endurance.
I'm not sure why the above poster picked #1, I guess because he went out hard and still managed to keep it close. Although I don't see why it would be impressive that he went out fast if he completely fell apart at the end. -
Why cant you have both run one? If its nly week two, its still early enough to have the try the real hing and 1.) see who has the better endurance 2.) see if better pacing improves #1's times.
Is it for a dmr? If so, id go with #2. Runner #1 would be too risky to put as an 800 leg cause he'd probably try to close a gap right away and might end up costing even more over the tail end of his 8. -
To go from a 1:26 high 600m to a 1:55 800m is a huge jump within a season. That’s holding the same pace for 33% longer. I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Let it Rupp wrote:
Honestly close your eyes and throw a dart at their names. They are both going to finish similarly, although I am leaning towards runner #2. He managed to close a 2 second gap, which in a 600 is pretty impressive, and shows he has both the speed and endurance.
I'm not sure why the above poster picked #1, I guess because he went out hard and still managed to keep it close. Although I don't see why it would be impressive that he went out fast if he completely fell apart at the end.
Because if runner 1 went out slower, he would have run much faster. It is clear he is the better runner of the two. -
Let it Rupp wrote:
Honestly close your eyes and throw a dart at their names. They are both going to finish similarly, although I am leaning towards runner #2. He managed to close a 2 second gap, which in a 600 is pretty impressive, and shows he has both the speed and endurance.
I'm not sure why the above poster picked #1, I guess because he went out hard and still managed to keep it close. Although I don't see why it would be impressive that he went out fast if he completely fell apart at the end.
This was my thinking too. Since runner 2 was able to run two consecutive 29 splits after his opening 200m, I feel confident he can run the last 200m if it were an 800 in a steady time as well. With Runner #1 however, he dropped from 29 to 31, which makes me nervous as to what his final 200m would be. 33 maybe?? -
[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:
Why cant you have both run one? If its nly week two, its still early enough to have the try the real hing and 1.) see who has the better endurance 2.) see if better pacing improves #1's times.
Is it for a dmr? If so, id go with #2. Runner #1 would be too risky to put as an 800 leg cause he'd probably try to close a gap right away and might end up costing even more over the tail end of his 8.
Haha thank you, yes it’s for a DMR. I don’t get a final say as to who gets to run it but I have an input to the head coach. -
Bvc wrote:
To go from a 1:26 high 600m to a 1:55 800m is a huge jump within a season. That’s holding the same pace for 33% longer. I wouldn’t bet on it.
I would disagree with this. It’s only the second week of our season, and the state meet isn’t until May. We’ve been training 3 days a week and we’re jusy now getting into 5-6. 1:55 is definitely possible. Runner #2 (the one who I believe is the better runner) ran the race pretty evenly paced which tells me that adding on that extra 200m wouldn’t kill him and he’d close out just fine. A 1:26.7 is on pace for a 1:55.6, and with the training for the next few months, we believe he will be where the times need him to be.
Keep in mind these time trials were at an inter squad practice on our schools track, only 5 people ran in that heat. At a race where there is a lot more pressure and adrenaline, times will drop. I can guarantee you that. -
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
Let it Rupp wrote:
Honestly close your eyes and throw a dart at their names. They are both going to finish similarly, although I am leaning towards runner #2. He managed to close a 2 second gap, which in a 600 is pretty impressive, and shows he has both the speed and endurance.
I'm not sure why the above poster picked #1, I guess because he went out hard and still managed to keep it close. Although I don't see why it would be impressive that he went out fast if he completely fell apart at the end.
Because if runner 1 went out slower, he would have run much faster. It is clear he is the better runner of the two.
I see your point. Idk though, they’re both good runners, but based off the splits #2 seems like a better bet for a full 800m. Just my thought. -
A few years ago my HS team decided to put together a 4x800 team just before our State Qualifier Meet.
I had 5 guys, I know 2 would be on the team. We met at the track and did a workout:
300
200
100
200
I added their times to get an 800 time and those were the 4 guys.
We ended placing 5th at states and 3rd the next year. -
runn wrote:
A few years ago my HS team decided to put together a 4x800 team just before our State Qualifier Meet.
I had 5 guys, I know 2 would be on the team. We met at the track and did a workout:
300
200
100
200
I added their times to get an 800 time and those were the 4 guys.
We ended placing 5th at states and 3rd the next year.
Terrible strategy. Some kids race way better than they practice. -
On paper 1 maybe 2 would pace the race better and win.
Only one way to find out -
Seems like runner #1 has more of a 400m ability than #2, while #2 seems to be more of a mid distance guy with that kind of pacing. For a full 800, I’m picking #2 because your result from going out way too hard in an 800 would be way worse than in a 600. If this were an 800 TT #2 probably would have won with a gap.
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PrZ wrote:
Seems like runner #1 has more of a 400m ability than #2, while #2 seems to be more of a mid distance guy with that kind of pacing. For a full 800, I’m picking #2 because your result from going out way too hard in an 800 would be way worse than in a 600. If this were an 800 TT #2 probably would have won with a gap.
This makes the most sense. #2 showed consistency in the race so he wasn’t dead, if he would’ve ran another 200 immediately after crossing at 1:26 I wouldn’t be shocked if he went 30-31 and finished at 1:56-1:57. You can’t really say the same about #1 though, he slowed down by 2 seconds on the 3rd 200. -
The question was which runner can run a faster 800m, not which one will run a faster 800m. On that day, number 2 would for sure run a faster 800m. But I think runner 1 has more upside and just needs to work on pacing himself/strategy.
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ThatAverageRunner wrote:
The question was which runner can run a faster 800m, not which one will run a faster 800m. On that day, number 2 would for sure run a faster 800m. But I think runner 1 has more upside and just needs to work on pacing himself/strategy.
This makes sense. So what do you think both of them can run the 800 in then? I know it’s somewhat hard to tell but still. -
Runner 2 beat Runner 1. He paced smarter, but being better at pacing is part of being better overall.
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Both should hit be able to 1:57 for the season. Runner 1 has the advantage going out faster and still managing to run the same time.
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It's impossible to say based soley off of this. I don't know their past training, their over / under distance PRs, etc. Knowing theyr 400m PRs would help a lot. If I had to pick a kid who was more reliable for a relay in the next week or two, I would pick the kid who ran more even splits. But I do still hold true that the kid who went out too fast likely has more upside than the even split kid.
These guys might be around 2:00-2:01 right now? Maybe a touch slower. They may be able to run sub 2 this year or they may break 1:55. We have no way of knowing with the [lack of] past information given.
