15 seconds for a 100 meters.
As long as they can do it 30 times in a row.
15 seconds for a 100 meters.
As long as they can do it 30 times in a row.
Scholar Expert wrote:
True. That doesn’t change the answer to the question though which remains at 4:04 to walk-on at all schools. Oregon and Stanford would have snubbed Day. Even NAU has upped their program where they don’t have space to accept 4:20 guys any longer. He is 1 in a million who made that type of improvement. Coaches can’t take 100 4:20 guys to find 1 or 2 who will make great improvements when they can limit their recruits to 4:10 guys to find 1 or 2 who don’t need to improve 20 seconds. Nobody is saying what is right or wrong, just stating the reality.
Not true, Cade Burks. Ran 1:55/4:18/9:45/15:33 for Perry HS in Arizona
He went to NAU in 2016 and is now their 9th best XC runner.
324 US boys in 12th grade broke 4:20 last year. How many schools are in D1?
12.6 wrote:
You do realize that there are only 12.6 scholarships. Are you saying that the 4 guys on the team that are running 4 minutes are not getting scholarships so that they can give a scholarship to a guy running 9:12? That would be silly. Are you not believing that all of their 800 studs are getting scholarships? Maybe they don't give scholarships to the sprinters, throwers, and jumpers? You cant argue both ends.
You don't know what you're talking about. Guys get money for academics, other avenues, and then even if a guy ends up getting all of his college paid for, it is rarely all from the athletic scholarship. As I said, I know a 9:12 guy who was offered an athletic scholarship from IU. I am not arguing "both ends" whatever that is supposed to mean. I am not arguing anything. I am stating that I know of one person with a 9:12 PR who got an athletic scholarship offer from IU, and one that was very worth considering.
numberzis wrote:
324 US boys in 12th grade broke 4:20 last year. How many schools are in D1?
There is about that many D1 schools with a XC team (about 320). Not sure if the number with track is about the same or not, since some schools have XC but not track and I cant think if any that are the opposite.
Since about half of the d1 xc programs are kind of a joke, really just a "me too" sport for the school, somebody is forced to settle for the 4:20 runners or slower. It is sometimes surprising how "slow" some people can run and still attract a scholarship at these lower schools.
Of course, some of these bottom of the barrel xc programs are at sprint power houses and that is where they spend their money, the distance squad is just a token program.
But as plenty have pointed out, that wasn't the OP's question.
4:10 is your line wrote:
^this. I was going to say under 4:10 would be close, depending on year etc., for most schools, but not a slam dunk. Basically I’d say the more under 4:10 you are the better your odds “every” school will take you.
So, I’m summady, this guy is correct.
Scholar Expert wrote:
Probably more than 1/2 of the power 5 schools won’t respond to a 4:20 kid. Stanford, Oregon, Wisconsin, Syracuse, and Notre Dame won’t talk to you unless below 4:10 and there is no guarantee that they will allow you onto the team.
Please take Syracuse out of this list. Their best indoor 800m performer/performance this season is 1:59.91. They must let pretty much anybody on the team.
...also take Norte Dame off. They have a guy on the team who has an 800m College best of 1:58.2 and another guy with a 3000m College best of 9:03 on the roaster.
Stanford is tougher. The two slowest guys that I could find on their roaster were the following. One guy with a 1:53.5 College best (800m) and another guy with a 8:22 College best (3000m)
You can’t just look at college times. Some guys get slower and some got on the team through personal contacts.
Notre Dame may have slow guys on their roster but they are there as family legacy types or large donors. So yes they will let guys walk-on who are admitted and show up at practice. I have had 2 athletses get completely snubbed by them in the past 2 years with near perfect SAT scores and 4:15 jr year for one and 4:11 senior year for the other. Turner said that if they got admitted, call him late summer and maybe they would have a spot. That’s a lot of work and at a cost of $70k per year to not know until the first day of practice if you can be on the team is not worth it. So the bar for Notre Dame is actually somewhere well below 4:10 to be guaranteed a spot.
People still seem not to be paying attention to what the OP actually asked, which is what time would get you on EVERY team.
Not what time would get you accepted to the school, not what time would get you a scholarship, not what time would get you onto the team at one particular school, but: "What's the slowest time that will get you on every single college team????"
We've had several examples already of times that WON'T get you on EVERY team.
I'm thinking that a 4:02 for 1600/4:04 for a mile would pretty much guarantee that you'd make the team anywhere.
There is a difference between what times will get you a scholarship, get you recruited at all, or get you a walk-on spot if you happen to get in to the school on your own and go there anyway.
If you ran 4:10-4:12 in HS and get into the school on your own, I would be pretty surprised if any coach would turn you away from at least trying to walk on. But I could be wrong.
That's way different from being recruited or having the coach get you into the school. I would agree with 4:04-4:05 for that to be pretty much guaranteed. Even that isn't 100% like if the coach doesn't think you can stay academically eligible.
Yeah, about that... wrote:
People still seem not to be paying attention to what the OP actually asked, which is what time would get you on EVERY team.
Not what time would get you accepted to the school, not what time would get you a scholarship, not what time would get you onto the team at one particular school, but: "What's the slowest time that will get you on every single college team????"
We've had several examples already of times that WON'T get you on EVERY team.
I'm thinking that a 4:02 for 1600/4:04 for a mile would pretty much guarantee that you'd make the team anywhere.
It’s a message board on the Internet. Things occasionally veer off topic. That’s what makes it fun. Loosen up.
Distance?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Distance?
400m. 46 open should get you on every squad, even the sprint powers.
I think college coaches have to project where the kids will be after a few years. Do they recruit a 4:10 guy from a program that does a lot of miles or a 4:15 guy who is under trained? My son has some D1 interest and ran 1:54 and 4:22 last year. He hope to get down to 1:52 and ~ 4:15 or so this season, but since he's not in that range yet he has some but not a ton of interest. The guys who run 4:00 - 4:04 have to be doing a lot of miles (in most cases) so they may not get much better but don't really have to and there's not much projecting. I think there's a lot that has to be factored in. Do they use a full scholarship on a Kenyan? Or split that 1 ship 3 ways between some guys they hope to develop.
winnr1 wrote:
winnr1 wrote:
Dude from my state walked on to a top-10 nationally ranked team with 1:56/4:19/9:11 and ran with them at Nattys so I would assume most schools would take times like that
Iḿ going to fix my statement as said team was top 5
MATT YOUNG OF OKLAHOMA, crazy talented low-mileage guy. I ran and training with him occasionally in High School, very cool and humble guy who works harder than anyone.
A lot of it has to do with Title IX restrictions. I went to one of the worst D1 programs in the country and we consistently turned down good runners that where faster than some of the guys currently on the team because of restrictions. Also depends on the conference. At the time we were in a conference that 48.xx would score points but unless you were running sub 4:05/14:10 you weren't guaranteed to score. For my program they could score more points by getting B class sprinters and not developing them vs getting top level state and national level distance talent and trying to develop them. Coming from a program where it was common for athletes to not improve or get worse it made sense for the coaches to build there program around sprints bc it was pretty much guaranteed points at conference. Typically the best high school distance runners have to develop to score at the conferences. This is not as true for top level high school sprinters. So for my Alma mater we took a guy that couldn't break 5 min for the mile one year w no prior running back ground bc the entire team quit and we didn't have ant recruits but other years turned down 4:30 sub 16 type runners.
Oregon is the toughest that I could find
The two slowest is one guy with an 8:07 best and another guy with a 4:04 mile (and Levi Thomet who had a 4:07 best in HS)
So yes, a 4:04 mile is the slowest that you can be in College to not worry about making any div 1 team.