David Torrence's Death Ruled an Accidental Drowning, But For His Family Questions Remain Because Of Death Threats

Investigating a theory is different than being irresponsible with the facts. I don't think that death threats correlate to a death a year later. You do? Understood.

But Robert and Weldon, with their editorial oversight, shouldn't push this correlation through pure speculation and without the type of investigation that would warrant them doing so. It's sensationalism, to say the least.

Very good piece of investigative journalism from Mr. Gault.

I must admit when I read of the death, Aden crossed my mind pretty quickly.

It sounds like you have trouble letting go and you dont quite get that “Yes young people die and sometimes the cause is completely accidental. You want to find blame because it doesn’t force you to confront your own mortality.

You aren’t alone. Lots of people who have some close die young often are willing to accepts the results. They feel uneasy about the death. They ignore all facts and logic.

Unfortunately, Letsrun and and John Gualt exploits those normal feelings to drive traffic to the site and sit around and congratulate themselves

Jon never reported completely on the overwhelming facts that it was an accident. The brojos irresponsibly touted the murder conspiracy theory. It was dispicable.

There is simply no physical evidence that David was murdered. None. Never was.

I think you need to see a therapist

rojo wrote:

like Weldon, I agree that he most likely died of some freak heart thing

which is why there's no probable cause for courts to go investigating alternatives.

Any time anyone is dead there will ALWAYS be questions. Take into consideration the victim's personal circumstances, and many times those questions become significant in number and cause even police to question what happened. The problem is while even police often hypothesize about what happened to an individual, taking guesses and proving it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law are two very, very different things. Police are often perceived to be 'blowing off' a case when in fact they, for whatever reason, aren't able to put together a solid case to prove that a set of circumstances surrounding death are in fact other than they appear. I didn't work this kids investigation, but there is no reason to believe the police have put forth any less effort than they would have for anyone else. If he was dead, drugged, injured prior to entering the water that would have become evident at autopsy.

You can call the cops slackers, but one group of folks who never slack and who can most often say with an unwavering degree of certainty what happened to an individual are pathologists. If he had been assaulted, drugged, if he was dead before entering the water etc., the ME/Coroner's investigation would have easily determined that. I've worked enough death cases to know that the end result of a death investigation often isn't bore out by cops knocking on doors, but rather on the autopsy table. It's unfortunate his mother is unable to find peace, but with no evidence to point otherwise, it appears that may be something she's going to need to do.

Dr of phyche wrote:

It sounds like you have trouble letting go and you dont quite get that “Yes young people die and sometimes the cause is completely accidental. You want to find blame because it doesn’t force you to confront your own mortality.

You aren’t alone. Lots of people who have some close die young often are willing to accepts the results. They feel uneasy about the death. They ignore all facts and logic.

Unfortunately, Letsrun and and John Gualt exploits those normal feelings to drive traffic to the site and sit around and congratulate themselves

Jon never reported completely on the overwhelming facts that it was an accident. The brojos irresponsibly touted the murder conspiracy theory. It was dispicable.

There is simply no physical evidence that David was murdered. None. Never was.

I think you need to see a therapist

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You are very old-school in your beliefs. I'm very aware of the fact that without the messageboards, this site doesn't exist financially. So I'm ALWAYS going to ask for people to share their opinion. The messageboards are the equivalent of sports radio for our sport.

It's really the opposite. Everyone has personal opinions. The Dan Rathers of the world hide theirs and then get caught for being biased as hell. . It's better to let people know where you stand.

You might also do a public safety piece on the dangers of unintentional drowning. In the US alone 10 people die every day from unintentional drowning. Seems much more probable than the murder theory, which is incredibly far-fetched IMO.

If there is no way a person be killed before making it look like an accidental/freak drowning then great. (I'm not sure that is the case) As I've said from the beginning I think with the autopsy this points to being an accidental death.

If that's the case then the detective should say to the family, "All that matters is the autopsy. We're not going to get a warrant for the facebook records until we get the autopsy" as essentially that is what they did. Then you'd think it would be imperative to get the autopsy results ASAP. However, she didn't say that and didn't get the autopsy results ASAP.

The detective says she didn't get the autopsy back until last week A MONTH after LetsRun.com had obtained it.

Meanwhile it turns out David's mom comes out with the news there is not heart history in David's family.

Considering he was an informant in a big doping raid in our sport, I think it's important the possible death threats are looked into. I don't want to live in a place where people can even make online death threats and not have them be prosecuted. With digital technology making this so easily accessible I just can't believe that messages weren't looked at. The sooner it is brought to light they weren't looked to the better as there is still time to look into this.

That's why I have no problem discussing the concerns of the mother, his ex-girlfriend, his cousin, and the anonymous source. Science may prove those concerns unfounded but I'm all about in this digital age, letting people discuss them, and putting them out there for scrutiny. These are not random conspiracy theorists on the internet. They are people very close to David who want this investigated more thoroughly. I don't think that is unreasonable.

Wejo, well said. Thanks.

they can investigate it all they want. They just have to pay for it. People do this all the time. Why don't you pony up some cash?

You don't realize that discussing far out conspiracies is detrimental to the healing and acceptance process.

People are so sure it's a freak accident to the point of blinding.

Wejo, do you really think it is possible that an agent of Jama could have killed a 31 year old Olympic Athlete in a way that made it look like an accidental drowning and left no physical evidence, no witnesses whatsoever despite being in a condo pool? That nothing would raise a red flag to any of the investigating officers, the coroner, etc? Nothing would show up in the autopsy?

That they were so professional in this, yet they would have sent Torrence a death threat on Facebook? One year before the actual "hit", no less.

If you guys were some dumb random poster, it would be bad enough. But you have a platform and an audience. You are making things worse for David's friends and family.

embarrassed for this site wrote:

Wejo, do you really think it is possible that an agent of Jama could have killed a 31 year old Olympic Athlete in a way that made it look like an accidental drowning and left no physical evidence, no witnesses whatsoever despite being in a condo pool? That nothing would raise a red flag to any of the investigating officers, the coroner, etc? Nothing would show up in the autopsy?

That they were so professional in this, yet they would have sent Torrence a death threat on Facebook? One year before the actual "hit", no less.

If you guys were some dumb random poster, it would be bad enough. But you have a platform and an audience. You are making things worse for David's friends and family.

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magness memory wrote:

Death threats must be very common in the running community if Gault has quoted Magness right

"I can’t recall who from"

wtf. so he told you but you can't remember. It doesn't hold up. If it was some no-mark John Smith from Alabama then he could at least confirm it wasn't who everyone here wants it to be. 100 % thing is that if it came from the Jama camp, then Magness would remember.

Why don't you address this BroJo's?

Why didn't Gault ask Magness outright if it was Jama who threatened him? Why doesn't Magness clearly state that himself?

How can you live with yourselves as journalists when you write an article that's clearly trying to create a link to someone as being possible murderers - when an easy, obvious, basic journalistic question that should be running down your professional spines is not asked?

This is the lowest you've ever stooped. It also probably makes it harder for Torrence's family to accept his death

Funny, but when I hear that that DT was threatened on FB in summer 2016, I assume it because he was running for Peru in the Olympics. I remember lots of nasty posts about him being a "traitor," and so on.

I must be missing something.

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Murder in this particular death is so fanciful.

1) First challenge, complete the mission.

2) Complete the mission without getting immediately killed/captured by local law enforcement or opposing military.

3) What is speculated by Brojos is at a completely higher level. Brojos and their buddies on LetsRun are speculating that there may have been an intentional kill plot against Mr. Torrence. Brojos and their synchophants on LetRun are speculating that a highly skilled assassin killed Mr. Torrence without being detected at the time of so-called crime. Brojos and their on-line flunkies are speculating that said skilled assassin left absolutely no physical evidence at the scene of the so-called crime. Brojos and their buddies are speculating on-line that neither the so-called killer nor co-assassins have talked/bragged about the so-called hit. Finally, Brojos and their friends on LetsRun are speculating that the hit was so thorough and so professional, it doesn't appear to be a murder to local law enforcement.