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I know it's the athlete's job to know where the line is, but the finish line tape was about a meter past the finish line! It looks like Kate leaned at the tape but the race was over at that point. Holding the tape at the finish line probably isn't possible since it would block the view of the camera, but having the tape set back can mislead the athletes as to the actual location of the finish line. So why have it at all?
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I think a few things:
1) Kate Grace needs to stop talking about how the 1500/Mile is a new event for her; she has raced this distance for years
2) tactically, she does race like a rookie; yesterday in the Armory looked like Kate in the London prelim last summer; sinking to 9th or 10th before deciding to exert effort
3) Kate loves the spotlight, and it has to smart to lose to a training partner that doesn’t even specialize in the 1500m; Bowerman has a lot of egos on board now! -
Cheese Whiz wrote:
I think a few things:
1) Kate Grace needs to stop talking about how the 1500/Mile is a new event for her; she has raced this distance for years
2) tactically, she does race like a rookie; yesterday in the Armory looked like Kate in the London prelim last summer; sinking to 9th or 10th before deciding to exert effort
3) Kate loves the spotlight, and it has to smart to lose to a training partner that doesn’t even specialize in the 1500m; Bowerman has a lot of egos on board now!
Ivy League Interview with Kate Grace (Ivy League):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGAf4WBMrA
It turns out that Colleen Quigley won the Wanamaker mile race on national TV... which also had a really big trophy for Ms. Quigley:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9rzwrvPjz1rb48qoo1_500.jpg -
She needs to realize that she is not weaker than the field and stop making poor positioning choices. Yes, she is not used to indoors but she looked like she got lulled into a coma and woke up too late.
I take her comments regarding workouts as an indicator that she has not moved past being the big fish in a little pond in Nor Cal. She is with a team that has a roster of females that oozes with world-class talent and she needs to step up to the challenge she presented herself with.
All in all, I'm a fan of the BTC. I just want to see them all make better choices. Out of the males, who other than Jager is living up to their potential? Serious question. -
Truth! Also, the line was well before the tape and Quigley clearly won.
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Kate Grace (Yale girl) ran a 4:23.93 mile last year at Millrose and a 4:23.6 at the 2016 Fifth Ave. mile.
Ms. Quigley ran a 4:20.6 mile at the 2017 Fifth Ave. mile.
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Yale girl = 4:22.7 at Fifth Ave mile.
Oh well.
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redux wrote:
She needs to realize that she is not weaker than the field and stop making poor positioning choices. Yes, she is not used to indoors but she looked like she got lulled into a coma and woke up too late.
I take her comments regarding workouts as an indicator that she has not moved past being the big fish in a little pond in Nor Cal. She is with a team that has a roster of females that oozes with world-class talent and she needs to step up to the challenge she presented herself with.
All in all, I'm a fan of the BTC. I just want to see them all make better choices. Out of the males, who other than Jager is living up to their potential? Serious question.
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I didn't realize Kate was training here in Colorado Springs. They said she is living at 8000+ and train at 7000 at the USAFA. She must be living in Woodland Park and driving down the mountain to train.
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Pay attention wrote:
Well, serious answer then: mo Ahmed.
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Dembele Dembele wrote:
Pay attention wrote:
Well, serious answer then: mo Ahmed.
Hill
Not quite. Hill missed the Olympic and World Champs teams the last few years. After a solid first year or two under Jerry he has had a mixed bag of results. As usual with the BTC, Hill got the injury bug. Add him to the list along with German Fernandez, Elliott Heath, Chris Derrick, Lopez Lomong, Dan Huling, even Teg, Solinsky, and Bairu struggled to stay healthy. -
Talking about Hill
I know that Hill called Mo, “SlowMo”
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Mo Ahmed? You know, the guy who's usually in the lead pack on the world stage? Ryan Hill? Always a contender in 1500-5k on the America stage and has made 2 world teams? Also, Woody Kincaid (I think that's how it's spelled) who ran a 13:12 5k before he got injured? Chris Derrick? He's showing promise in the marathon. It's not that the BTC doesn't have talent on the male side, just rotten luck because some of them struggle with staying healthy.
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KFFIIDDJYDYkfoyfoyyfgggg wrote:
Talking about Hill
I know that Hill called Mo, “SlowMo”
Should Mo now call Hill, “Over The”
Wild mischaracterization of Hill’s comment. -
Hill made the team last season...he also technically qualified for the final in London, but got screwed over because he contracted a bug at London.
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I’m a big Kate Grace fan, but she had poor tactics and owned up to it.
The “tape” was a foot out throughout the event. I’m not sure if something an athlete would notice in other races (if they’re watching at all), but it wasn’t a factor in other races. In fact, the 3000m was also crazy close, but no one brought up the tape issue. -
I hate those cheap plastic advertising ribbons that every big race is plagued with these days. They are necessarily held at least a foot past the finish line so as not to interfere with the photofinish camera(s). If a top athlete doesn't know this, they're low-information runners.
Those dang things block the view, but of course they're designed to get the sponsor's name into all of the photos and videos. At some events, there is apparently only one such ribbon on hand, so the young volunteers that are usually stuck with the job of holding them actually drop them at about the time the runners reach them, to avoid them getting broken. Sometimes this results in the runners getting wrapped up in them, with the risk of tripping and falling.
I hate 'em, but sponsors are needed so that the rate of the sport's death can be slowed down slightly, and I guess it's even harder to attract sponsors if you can't guarantee that their signage will appear in news photos. So we're stuck with them. -
Luis-M-Guerra wrote:
Mo Ahmed? You know, the guy who's usually in the lead pack on the world stage? Ryan Hill? Always a contender in 1500-5k on the America stage and has made 2 world teams? Also, Woody Kincaid (I think that's how it's spelled) who ran a 13:12 5k before he got injured? Chris Derrick? He's showing promise in the marathon. It's not that the BTC doesn't have talent on the male side, just rotten luck because some of them struggle with staying healthy.
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Wana-maker Mile Champion: Colleen Quiqley wrote:
Cheese Whiz wrote:
I think a few things:
1) Kate Grace needs to stop talking about how the 1500/Mile is a new event for her; she has raced this distance for years
2) tactically, she does race like a rookie; yesterday in the Armory looked like Kate in the London prelim last summer; sinking to 9th or 10th before deciding to exert effort
3) Kate loves the spotlight, and it has to smart to lose to a training partner that doesn’t even specialize in the 1500m; Bowerman has a lot of egos on board now!
Ivy League Interview with Kate Grace (Ivy League):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGAf4WBMrA
It turns out that Colleen Quigley won the Wanamaker mile race on national TV... which also had a really big trophy for Ms. Quigley:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9rzwrvPjz1rb48qoo1_500.jpg
I believe NCAA prohibited Miss Quigley from modelling in college even though Coleen was an established model already. The same would apply to a child actor who wanted to act and compete in college.
Totally archaic NCAA amateur rules. The students are the only amateurs in this process. Why is Duke basketball coach paid more than a tenured professor?
When will this monopoly crap be challenged in court? -
video of race?
