Is this law targeting Alana Hadley?
Is this law targeting Alana Hadley?
ranner wrote:
Hawaii's been in the news recently for the fake nuclear missile alert and the subsequent chaos and ineffectiveness of the state government. If that hasn't convinced you already that Hawaii's government is a joke take a look at this measure that is making its way through their Legislature:
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2413It is pretty much making it illegal for minors to run any "long distance running event." "Long distance running event" being undefined right now. They already took our football, now whats stopping these politicians from taking our running!!!
Over reach by the nanny state, should be a race director decision, and ultimately, the parents. Also, it does not define a long distance event. To most portly politicians, that might be a mile. I could possibly see the age cut off at 13 or 14, but 18?? Shouldn't be up to a portly politician anyway. Whoever crafted the bill seems not to know all that much about human performance. Also, I'm not sure what the rationale is. Has there been a rash of 8 year old's running marathons there? If they really wanted to protect the running public, the requirement should be that any male over the age of 40 can't register without evidence of a full cardiovascular workup, a clean exercise stress test and an MD sign off.
800 dude wrote:
The question whether children should be drinking wine is entirely different from the question whether government should be outlawing it. It's extremely rare for kids to drink wine anyway, and a lot of bars prohibit it. The kids who do are already self-selected (no parental pushing, huh?) nuts. And while drinking wine may not be good for them (actually, drinking a lot of wine isn't good for anyone), it's pretty unlikely that a couple of glasses are going to do any lasting harm.
Would I let my own kids drink wine? Probably not. But the government shouldn't be legislating best parenting practices. It should be stepping only when it's clearly necessary to prevent a demonstrable harm. If you want to talk about something that no children should be doing, it's obviously meth.
i love wine wrote:
800 dude wrote:
The question whether children should be drinking wine is entirely different from the question whether government should be outlawing it. It's extremely rare for kids to drink wine anyway, and a lot of bars prohibit it. The kids who do are already self-selected (no parental pushing, huh?) nuts. And while drinking wine may not be good for them (actually, drinking a lot of wine isn't good for anyone), it's pretty unlikely that a couple of glasses are going to do any lasting harm.
Would I let my own kids drink wine? Probably not. But the government shouldn't be legislating best parenting practices. It should be stepping only when it's clearly necessary to prevent a demonstrable harm. If you want to talk about something that no children should be doing, it's obviously meth.
Good analogy, since the public health consequences of alcohol are basically identical to the public health consequences of running.
I don't know how the proposed rule is worded. We have other laws protecting kids. Gymnast are not allowed to compete internationally below age 16. I find no value for kids racing 10K and longer on the road. Kids have their youth to get faster 60m to 5000m. 5K is far enough to show the world one's talent.
IMMDA? That's got to be a single person working from home with zero staff, right? They can't have more than like 50 members, right?
I would say they may as well outlaw old people from shoveling snow while they're at it, except... Hawaii.
9th circuit will approve wrote:
I didn't know Hawaii had a big mining industry, but it makes sense when you consider how respiratory health can be affected.
Look, this is a stupid bill for sure, but I'm guessing you don't know that indeed we have air pollution issues in the state, particularly on my island. Volcanic emissions -- what we call "vog" -- are no joke. Sulfur dioxide and other nastiness and it's obviously not possible to regulate an active volcano. We have air quality alerts often enough so that I have the vog alert webpage bookmarked. The side of the Big Island I live on is typically upwind from Kilauea volcano (which is only a few miles away) so we don't get vog regularly. But the Kona side of the island does. From high altitudes, when it's bad, you can see what looks like LA in the bad old days. When the trade winds shift, Honolulu and the other Oahu population centers can be strongly affected by our vog.
So yeah, we absolutely have respiratory health issues.
http://www.ivhhn.org/vog/As for the bill itself -- what happens in Hawai'i is that state legislators rush to put out bills before the session begins, because that's the only time you can do it. Some of them, like this one, clearly are not well thought out. It's not the only one.
800 dude wrote:[/ . If you want to talk about something that no children should be doing, it's obviously football.
Nope. There are more concussions in the sport of soccer. This wil piss off all the soccer moms out there!
ironside wrote:
I don't know how the proposed rule is worded. We have other laws protecting kids. Gymnast are not allowed to compete internationally below age 16. I find no value for kids racing 10K and longer on the road. Kids have their youth to get faster 60m to 5000m. 5K is far enough to show the world one's talent.
Above is just one of the many posts this topic generated opposing young distance running . What many of you under 50 don't realize is that there was a time when teenagers ran marathons in droves and it didn't seem to cause any problems. The ones I ran at 15 and 16, for example, had dozens of finisher in my age division; 3 or 4 of us rode there with my dad. These were regional races with no one traveling from other parts of the country, so I'm guessing Grandma's or races that have the stature CIM does now had a lot more - and faster - kids. It's a good thing we were doing these out-of-the-way events as just breaking 3 didn't get you anywhere near the top 3 in our age group so we left before the awards. Breaking 3 didn't win Girls 17-and-under either.
The point is that back when kids didn't have parental and peer pressure to avoid anything longer than a mile, we flourished at 10k and up. Societal pressures prevent this now, and according to the MB crowd, that's good. However, for youth who can taste success in sports by participating in the events they are good at, this is not a positive change if the only thing they're competitive at is long distance running and that is unavailable to them. Neither I nor the much more impressive Miss Hadley would have experienced the joy and satisfaction of success if a force as powerful as a State Legislature had prevented us from participation.
Hawai'i State Legislature wrote:
THE SENATE
S.B. NO.
2413
TWENTY-NINTH LEGISLATURE, 2018
STATE OF HAWAII
A BILL FOR AN ACT
RELATING TO LONG DISTANCE RUNNING EVENTS.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII:
SECTION 1. The legislature finds that there has been an increase in youth participation in long distance running events such as half-marathons and marathons. However, research studies and health professionals indicate and recognize health consequences of youth who participate in these events. An article from the Journal of Athletic Training reports that children do not absorb the impact of running as well as adults and less absorption can lead to greater impact to bones, joints, and soft tissue that can result in overuse injuries. Other studies indicate that in comparison to adults, children run with different mechanics and have shorter legs in relation to their body size, factors that may contribute to a diminished ability to absorb impact. This lack of absorption can result in health outcomes that include osteochondritis dissecans, Osgood-Schlatter disease, and Sever's disease.
The legislature also finds that the International Marathon Medical Directors Association advises, "It is in the overall best interests of our children to make competitive participation in a full marathon an adult activity, reserved only for those 18 years of age and above". In addition, the American Academy of Pediatrics' Council on Sports Medicine and Fitness suggests that sporting activities should be geared to meet the developmental level of children and adolescents in regard to their physical abilities, cognitive capacities, initiative, and interest.
The legislature further finds that long distance running events in the State, such as the Honolulu Marathon and the Hapalua – Hawaii's Half Marathon, allow children under the age of eighteen years to participate.
The purpose of this Act is to require long distance running events to enforce an age requirement for individuals who participate to be eighteen years or older.
SECTION 2. The Hawaii Revised Statutes is amended by adding a new chapter to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:
"CHAPTER
LONG DISTANCE RUNNING EVENTS
§ -1 Definitions. As used in this chapter, unless the context requires otherwise:
"Minor" means any person below the age of eighteen years.
"Long distance running event" means an event that requires an individual to register as a participant and to run a distance greater than or equal to miles.
"Organizer" means the entity that organizes and implements a long distance running event.
§ -2 Age requirement. No organizer shall allow a minor to register for a long distance running held in the State and organized by that organizer unless the minor will be at least eighteen years of age on the scheduled date of the long distance running event.
§ -3 Rules. The department of health shall adopt rules, pursuant to chapter 91, necessary to implement this chapter."
SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were begun before its effective date.
SECTION 4. This Act shall take effect on July 1, 2018.
INTRODUCED BY:
_____________________________
Report Title:
Long Distance Running Event; Age Requirement
Description:
Prohibits long distance running event organizers from allowing minors to register unless the minors will be eighteen years or older on the scheduled date of the running event.
The summary description of legislation appearing on this page is for informational purposes only and is not legislation or evidence of legislative intent.
It says: "Long distance running event" means an event that requires an individual to register as a participant and to run a distance greater than or equal to ____ miles.
How many miles?
winnr1 wrote:
Hawai'i State Legislature wrote:
"It is in the overall best interests of our children to make competitive participation in a full marathon an adult activity, reserved only for those 18 years of age and above". In addition, the American Academy of Pediatrics' Council on Sports Medicine and Fitness suggests that sporting activities should be geared to meet the developmental level of children
This is a great idea wrote:
We all hate the 8 year olds who line up in the first 3 rows of a road race and then get trampled and block the real runners.
This is a great idea. They should stick to the kids half mile. I’m not sure why anyone is complaining about this.
No kids ever get trampled. The faster runners dumb enough to line up behind them just have to take a little extra time to go around them. What you really hate is that 4'7" 11 year old you tried to catch the whole race but couldn't.
In Hawaii, childhood obesity is a far greater problem, indeed, a real serious societal problem, in contrast to childhood running of "long distance races," the training for which directly combats childhood obesity and which has virtually no actual victims, certainly not in comparison to, say, football or surfing.
Just because you didn't.... wrote:
ironside wrote:
I don't know how the proposed rule is worded. We have other laws protecting kids. Gymnast are not allowed to compete internationally below age 16. I find no value for kids racing 10K and longer on the road. Kids have their youth to get faster 60m to 5000m. 5K is far enough to show the world one's talent.
Above is just one of the many posts this topic generated opposing young distance running . What many of you under 50 don't realize is that there was a time when teenagers ran marathons in droves and it didn't seem to cause any problems. The ones I ran at 15 and 16, for example, had dozens of finisher in my age division; 3 or 4 of us rode there with my dad. These were regional races with no one traveling from other parts of the country, so I'm guessing Grandma's or races that have the stature CIM does now had a lot more - and faster - kids. It's a good thing we were doing these out-of-the-way events as just breaking 3 didn't get you anywhere near the top 3 in our age group so we left before the awards. Breaking 3 didn't win Girls 17-and-under either.
The point is that back when kids didn't have parental and peer pressure to avoid anything longer than a mile, we flourished at 10k and up. Societal pressures prevent this now, and according to the MB crowd, that's good. However, for youth who can taste success in sports by participating in the events they are good at, this is not a positive change if the only thing they're competitive at is long distance running and that is unavailable to them. Neither I nor the much more impressive Miss Hadley would have experienced the joy and satisfaction of success if a force as powerful as a State Legislature had prevented us from participation.
First, why do you think you know my age?
I've raced most racing events 200m through Marathon. If you mean I didn't race a Marathon as a teenager, you guessed that correctly. Tell me how racing one or more Marathons as a teenager made you a better runner in your twenties. If you read earlier post from me months ago you will read specific examples of teenage high school XC teammates who threw away their XC season racing one or more October Marathons.
Flourished? If you were racing sub-2:20 October Marathons as a teenager, you also threw away one or more XC season chasing a Marathon dream which could have waited awhile.
Cathy Shiro won the 1984 Footlocker cross country national championship race after running 2:34/top 10 at the Olympic Marathon Trials at age 16. She later made two Olympic teams and set a world record at 10 miles.
Just because you didn't.... wrote:
ironside wrote:
I don't know how the proposed rule is worded. We have other laws protecting kids. Gymnast are not allowed to compete internationally below age 16. I find no value for kids racing 10K and longer on the road. Kids have their youth to get faster 60m to 5000m. 5K is far enough to show the world one's talent.
Above is just one of the many posts this topic generated opposing young distance running . What many of you under 50 don't realize is that there was a time when teenagers ran marathons in droves and it didn't seem to cause any problems. The ones I ran at 15 and 16, for example, had dozens of finisher in my age division; 3 or 4 of us rode there with my dad. These were regional races with no one traveling from other parts of the country, so I'm guessing Grandma's or races that have the stature CIM does now had a lot more - and faster - kids. It's a good thing we were doing these out-of-the-way events as just breaking 3 didn't get you anywhere near the top 3 in our age group so we left before the awards. Breaking 3 didn't win Girls 17-and-under either.
The point is that back when kids didn't have parental and peer pressure to avoid anything longer than a mile, we flourished at 10k and up. Societal pressures prevent this now, and according to the MB crowd, that's good. However, for youth who can taste success in sports by participating in the events they are good at, this is not a positive change if the only thing they're competitive at is long distance running and that is unavailable to them. Neither I nor the much more impressive Miss Hadley would have experienced the joy and satisfaction of success if a force as powerful as a State Legislature had prevented us from participation.
You stated age 50. I assume you are over 50. You mentioned Grand Ma's Marathon. Are you Dick Beardsley? If so, we've met.
ironside wrote:
Flourished? If you were racing sub-2:20 October Marathons as a teenager, you also threw away one or more XC season chasing a Marathon dream which could have waited awhile.
Why should the Hawaii state government care if someone chooses to throw away a XC season for a sub-2:20 marathon? They don't give a sh!t if anyone runs XC at all.