Tuohy loses in a HS race!!!!!!!!!!!

You.. um... seem to have a rather loose definition of the word "literally". It means exactly, or precisely, so.. she did not have "literally no rest" she didn't have enough to be able to run as fast as she could, but she definitely had some.

Zuck wrote:

Imagine being a HS girl like her, possibly soon-to-be the best ever HS girl to date, and getting heckled like this any time she jogs some indoor races.

Heckled? Did some posts get deleted? I don't really consider this heckling. Annoying? Sure. Unnecessary? Most definitely. Aggressive comments that reach the level of abuse? No. Not even close.

LetsBeHonestHereGIRL wrote:

You.. um... seem to have a rather loose definition of the word "literally". It means exactly, or precisely, so.. she did not have "literally no rest" she didn't have enough to be able to run as fast as she could, but she definitely had some.

look at a dictionary:

2 : in effect : virtually —used in an exaggerated way to emphasize a statement

Little surprised that her coach had her run 3 indoor races in one day. Didn't she just recently run 15:37 for 5k indoors? Oh yea trying to get her to run fast in late February and early March you say? How about keeping her in the sport till she is 26 and hopefully running in Olympics or WC! I would think you think short term and long term when dealing with such a talent. 3 races at an indoor meet shows to me a lack of forward and future thinking......but this is just another coach giving an opinion.

She's tripling in distance events already? How long till the burnout? Stupid coaches.

I’m sure Tuohy running 1500m at 5k pace must have been quite taxing for the young lady. Along with 1000m slightly faster than her mile pace and 600m slightly faster than her 800m PR pace.

JerryJonny wrote:

She's tripling in distance events already? How long till the burnout? Stupid coaches.

This is not stupid coaching. This is a speed workout. Now if she fails to break 4:52 at Millrose, which was her 1600 split during her 5K, then we can talk... (unless it somehow turns into a tactical race where everyone jogs the first 400-800 meters).

a;lksdjf;aoiy9bponefpoa wrote:

JerryJonny wrote:

She's tripling in distance events already? How long till the burnout? Stupid coaches.

This is not stupid coaching. This is a speed workout. Now if she fails to break 4:52 at Millrose, which was her 1600 split during her 5K, then we can talk... (unless it somehow turns into a tactical race where everyone jogs the first 400-800 meters).

If she split 4:52 in a 5K, then she can somewhat reasonably hope for a sub 4:40 mile. I don't have the math or stats for this - but I'm just going off eons of experience. However, if she wants sub 4:40 (which she stated as a goal), then she CANNOT get sucked into a slow tactical race where they go through the first 800m in much over 2:20 (just to state the obvious). Ideally, I think she want about 2:17-ish for the first 800, and then put down the hammer.

nut up wrote:

a;lksdjf;aoiy9bponefpoa wrote:

This is not stupid coaching. This is a speed workout. Now if she fails to break 4:52 at Millrose, which was her 1600 split during her 5K, then we can talk... (unless it somehow turns into a tactical race where everyone jogs the first 400-800 meters).

If she split 4:52 in a 5K, then she can somewhat reasonably hope for a sub 4:40 mile. I don't have the math or stats for this - but I'm just going off eons of experience. However, if she wants sub 4:40 (which she stated as a goal), then she CANNOT get sucked into a slow tactical race where they go through the first 800m in much over 2:20 (just to state the obvious). Ideally, I think she want about 2:17-ish for the first 800, and then put down the hammer.

Really??

I saw a HS girl run a 4:37 mile at the Mass. State meet several years ago. She went out in 2:21.5 for the half. That is how you run a mile, negative split baby!

Based on her past races I wouldn't be shocked if she took it out hard from the gun in something like 2:15. I'll predict 4:36 for the full mile. Didn't she go out in 4:45 for the first 1600 of her 3k? Dropping 10 seconds off of that shouldn't be too difficult.

Exhausted wrote:

So.... wrote:

How pi**** would you be if you were a girl of her caliber and people give you sh** for losing a random 600 at the county championships in the middle of a triple with literally no rest in between....

I don't think you know what literally means.

According to the Daily News a New York bar bans customers who say 'literally'

"...customers who say the word “literally” inside Continental will be given five minutes to finish their drink, and then they must go."

I was critical of her coach in a previous post for emphasizing aerobic over speed development. Having Tuohy run that 600 was a step in the right direction. Being a pre-pubescent long distance phenom does not say a lot for future success. Our great athletes like Ruth Wysocki, Mary Decker, Kim Gallagher, Suzy Favor, Joan Benoit, Lynn Jennings, Jenny Simpson, Flanagan, Deena Kastor, Emma Coburn, Courtney Frerichs, Amy Cragg, Shannon Rowbury, Jordan Hasay and Molly Huddle have a few things in common. Except for Hasay, none of them ever won a national H.S. XC title; in high school, they were milers and never ran a serious 5K. Even athletes like Jennings, Jonie, Kastor, Goucher, Flanagan, Cragg, Hasay and Huddle who we now know as distance runners, ran relatively low mileage in high school and focused on the mile. I don't have time to get into the physiology of why a young female body developed for speed endures post-puberty better than one overly aerobically developed. However, all you need to do is look at the H.S. all-time 5K/10K/XC list, which tells you just about all you need to know. With all of that said, Tuohy looked good in that 600 even though the time wasn't spectacular. No doubt she can run a faster 600 and even a fast 800, if she focused on it. Based on Tuohy's 5K performance, I would like to see her run a sub-2:10 800 and/or a mile in the mid 4:30s 'indoors'; that will tell me more about her future than XC and 5K victories.

any guesses for her 200m today? Always interesting to me when runners race distances drastically different from their own, and the “what can distance runners run in sprints” topic is always coming up. I’d guess 28.5 but she might be a little tired after yesterday’s races and the 800 today also so maybe 29.00. I’ll guess 28.75 officially.

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shith wrote:

4:42 was perhaps a bit excessive if winning three events was her primary goal. As a workout, a fast 1600 followed by an uncomfortably anaerobic 600 on short rest seems like a good idea.

She’s great but I think it was a 1500, it a 1600.

28.5 is a joke, right? 200: 25.xx 400: 56.xx 800: 2:04.xx 1600: 4:27.xx 3200: 9:29.xx

handelandj wrote:

any guesses for her 200m today? Always interesting to me when runners race distances drastically different from their own, and the “what can distance runners run in sprints” topic is always coming up. I’d guess 28.5 but she might be a little tired after yesterday’s races and the 800 today also so maybe 29.00. I’ll guess 28.75 officially.

you for realz? wrote:

28.5 is a joke, right?

200: 25.xx

400: 56.xx

800: 2:04.xx

1600: 4:27.xx

3200: 9:29.xx

handelandj wrote:

any guesses for her 200m today? Always interesting to me when runners race distances drastically different from their own, and the “what can distance runners run in sprints” topic is always coming up. I’d guess 28.5 but she might be a little tired after yesterday’s races and the 800 today also so maybe 29.00. I’ll guess 28.75 officially.

LMAO 25 seconds? Extremely unlikely. That's an elite time --- even 25.99 would qualify for the 200m in most states. 25.00 would make you an all-state athlete in most states too.

She's talented, but not that talented.

I’ll say 25.78 to be exact. How elite is that? It ranks just outside the top 2,000 HS girls from 2017 outdoors. It’s fast for a distance runner, but not elite.

macdaddy wrote:

you for realz? wrote:

28.5 is a joke, right?

200: 25.xx

400: 56.xx

800: 2:04.xx

1600: 4:27.xx

3200: 9:29.xx

LMAO 25 seconds? Extremely unlikely. That's an elite time --- even 25.99 would qualify for the 200m in most states. 25.00 would make you an all-state athlete in most states too.

She's talented, but not that talented.

Yes I’m for real. We’ll see who’s right soon... Id bet you $ that my guess is closer than yours if I actually knew you personally.

I thought she said she was running the 200 Tuesday? Anyone have a result?