King Cheserek is back!! He just rocked a 3:54 mile at 5,120 feet of altitude, beating BB by 6+ seconds

Curious courtney wrote:

What shoe was he wearing?

Has a signature "king Ches" spike. Not joking.

I'm astounded ... wrote:

Ches wrote:

Ches is going to be the AR holder in the mile pretty soon. 3:54 is insane at altitude.

KenyanCitizen wrote:

Once he becomes an America

Will he be a North, or a South America?

A Central America

It's a good time.

He still has to show what his pro event is going to be. He's never been able to kick with the top guys at 1500m/mile. His 5000m PB has been stuck at 13:18 since 2014, which is a long time ago. He has never run a fast 10000m.

Also, it's funny that people jump on the conversion factor here, whereas converting Keino's and Ryun's Mexico City times is met with scoffing.

still waiting wrote:

He has never run a fast 10000m.

Fast enough to beat the rest of the NCAA six times.

still waiting wrote:

It's a good time.

He still has to show what his pro event is going to be. He's never been able to kick with the top guys at 1500m/mile. His 5000m PB has been stuck at 13:18 since 2014, which is a long time ago. He has never run a fast 10000m.

Also, it's funny that people jump on the conversion factor here, whereas converting Keino's and Ryun's Mexico City times is met with scoffing.

Yah, he grew up at altitude a lot higher than Alberquarkey, and I bet for him the elevation cost him maybe 3 seconds max.

Any 1500m meter time in Ciudad de Mexico should be translated to a mile time at sea level, between the elevation, the smaug and the general shittiness of the place! What Keino Ryan did was unreal.

Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:

still waiting wrote:

It's a good time.

He still has to show what his pro event is going to be. He's never been able to kick with the top guys at 1500m/mile. His 5000m PB has been stuck at 13:18 since 2014, which is a long time ago. He has never run a fast 10000m.

Also, it's funny that people jump on the conversion factor here, whereas converting Keino's and Ryun's Mexico City times is met with scoffing.

Yah, he grew up at altitude a lot higher than Alberquarkey, and I bet for him the elevation cost him maybe 3 seconds max.

Any 1500m meter time in Ciudad de Mexico should be translated to a mile time at sea level, between the elevation, the smaug and the general shittiness of the place! What Keino Ryan did was unreal.

alberquarkey?

YMMV wrote:

Bring Back the Mile wrote:

Fastest indoor all-time and second fastest Mile at altitude by Cheserek; only countryman and legend Kip Keino is faster! ?

3:53.1 Kip Keino (KEN), Kisumu, KEN, 09/10/67

Kisumu elevation = 3711'

Ches wins.

It's 50 years later. I hope people are a bit faster now.

Keino ran 3:34.8 1500 at 7600’ ....

Keino and Cheserek are very similar runners.

Neither needs high mileage, both have range and are likely best at 2000-4000m

How come nobody has brought up yet that this was called the "fancy mile?"

Also, why is it called the fancy mile?

Who is coaching him?

HILARIOUS that so many LR folks fail to realize altitude basically helps high altitude natives at distances up to a mile or so - just as it helps sea level runners at distances up to 800m. Just look at the PRs at the '68 Olys in the 800 and Keino's PR in the 1500 (yeah, we now know he was on dbol but still a great run that he could never replicate at sea level). Yes, Cheserek is a NATIVE of Kenya, for any and all dopes who think he's lost anything by living in the states since he came here as a 19 year old 10th grader.

BLYAN DILLENBACKER wrote:

HILARIOUS that so many LR folks fail to realize altitude basically helps high altitude natives at distances up to a mile or so - just as it helps sea level runners at distances up to 800m. Just look at the PRs at the '68 Olys in the 800 and Keino's PR in the 1500 (yeah, we now know he was on dbol but still a great run that he could never replicate at sea level). Yes, Cheserek is a NATIVE of Kenya, for any and all dopes who think he's lost anything by living in the states since he came here as a 19 year old 10th grader.

I see that physiology is not your strong suit. Care to make additional foolish comments?

Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:

Yah, he grew up at altitude a lot higher than Alberquarkey, and I bet for him the elevation cost him maybe 3 seconds max.

Any 1500m meter time in Ciudad de Mexico should be translated to a mile time at sea level, between the elevation, the smaug and the general shittiness of the place! What Keino Ryan did was unreal.

I was with you right up until the smog. Go watch the Full Olympic Movie on youtube, really clean 1080p transfer and the air in el DayFay really looked like an alpine village back then. They don't show the volcanoes very often but you can see Desierto de Leones clear as a bell. Reminded me of the Martha Gellhorn's accounts of how clear the air was down there in the 1950s

It was a hot afternoon and you might have had density altitude close to 8500 feet equivalent and no pollution controls at all on the cars and trucks too. I get all that stuff but this subject has been an obsession of mine for quite a while and I don't think you can automatically imply smog levels that were remotely close to what came along after 1975. I bet that Rieti was worse back when they were in love with diesels in the 1990s?

Grandpa Cheese FTW!!! wrote:

Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:

It really is 3:49.35 accoding to NCAA converting. Fact.

Whoa! Is that a masters world record from Gandpa Cheese?

You salty bro? 3:54 at altitude is a great run. I think that's what this thread is about.

FightFor15 wrote:

Grandpa Cheese FTW!!! wrote:

Whoa! Is that a masters world record from Gandpa Cheese?

You salty bro? 3:54 at altitude is a great run. I think that's what this thread is about.

I don’t think he’s salty. Just impressed that a 47 year old can run that fast!

Pretty sure he is 47 years old, impressive! wrote:

FightFor15 wrote:

You salty bro? 3:54 at altitude is a great run. I think that's what this thread is about.

I don’t think he’s salty. Just impressed that a 47 year old can run that fast!

These jokes are a lot lamer now that he's a pro and his age doesn't matter anymore.

Not David Costill wrote:

BLYAN DILLENBACKER wrote:

HILARIOUS that so many LR folks fail to realize altitude basically helps high altitude natives at distances up to a mile or so - just as it helps sea level runners at distances up to 800m. Just look at the PRs at the '68 Olys in the 800 and Keino's PR in the 1500 (yeah, we now know he was on dbol but still a great run that he could never replicate at sea level). Yes, Cheserek is a NATIVE of Kenya, for any and all dopes who think he's lost anything by living in the states since he came here as a 19 year old 10th grader.

I see that physiology is not your strong suit. Care to make additional foolish comments?

What's foolish about it? It makes perfect sense that Keino was far less affected by the altitude than Ryun. So conversions would not apply to an African who lived all his life at altitude.

still waiting wrote:

It's a good time.

He still has to show what his pro event is going to be. He's never been able to kick with the top guys at 1500m/mile. His 5000m PB has been stuck at 13:18 since 2014, which is a long time ago. He has never run a fast 10000m.

Letsrun - where the trajectory of your young professional track career is questioned after opening up with a 354 mile at altitude.

I heard it was a downhill track with a massive tailwind.