6 Hours of Continuous Sleep (Max) Before Waking with Need to Pee

Old Man Coming Through! wrote:

How much impact does this have on my running?

None, as long as the total amount of sleep you get is sufficient. I wake up about as much as you do, but it only affects me if I don't sleep enough in the entire night.

I am in the same boat. I'd love to know what it felt like to sleep 8 hours straight. Don't remember the last time it happened.

Be glad you're waking up before you pee.

In my late 20s. I have had issues with bladder control and have to getup in the night constantly.

About a year ago I went to a urologist and got diagnosed and medication. The initial medicine they gave me a sample of was fantastic. Not only did it eliminate the control issue but I was only getting up once or 0 times a night to piss. Before it was like 4 or 5 times, at least I usually fall back to sleep quickly. Problem was the sample ran out and there was no generic, prescription for the medicine was insane, over $5k a year. (Thank You our bullcrap healthcare system, btw I have a great employee sponsored PPO plan)

The generics to treat the condition have been less successful and I regressed over the course of a few months to where I am now. At least I'm not pissing my pants anymore. But I have to pee more frequently that when I was on the medication that was most successful. Also have to wake up 2-3 times a night. Sucks that our A) healthcare system is so messed up that my healthcare refused to cover this medication that clearly worked much better, we tried to get a waiver or whatever the term is to get it paid for. And B) A pharmaceutical can hold you hostage to pay an obscene fee for a medical product. As a note I know someone who has cancer and has this same situation with a drug that effectively manages their T count, except for obviously cancer is far worse than bladder issues and the magnitude of cost is significantly higher.

I'm a strong believer in free market but healthcare is an area where I find it hard to believe it works because of the life saving nature of the market allows for collusion to keep costs artificially high for the consumer.

3 old men are sitting on a park bench, one is 70, one is 80, the other the ripe old age of 90!

The 70 year old says "every morning I wake up at 7 and it takes me 15 min just to pee because my prostate is so old and swollen."

The 80 year old says that's nothing, "every morning I wake up at 8 and have to spend the next 30 min sitting on the toilet because my bowls don't move.

The 90 year old says "well guys, every morning around 7 I piss like a Russian racehorse, and every morning around 8 I sh it like a dang pig.......... the only problem is, I don't get out of bed until 9"

FormerD2now52 wrote:

Old Man Coming Through! wrote:

How much impact does this have on my running?

None, as long as the total amount of sleep you get is sufficient. I wake up about as much as you do, but it only affects me if I don't sleep enough in the entire night.

This is wrong. In no world is disrupted sleep equivalent in quality to continuous sleep. If sleep quality is correlated with recovery and running quality, then poorer sleep will correlate with poorer running compared to continuous sleep. How much impact does this have on running? There's no good metric and the effect size is even more unclear. Is there "none" impact? No.

Go see a doctor. Make sure your blood sugar is in check. Drink less water before, even after workouts. You'll be fine. Your quality of life will drastically improve the moment you stop this getting up nonsense. Do you really want to be doing this for the rest of your life?

Waking up once in the night is nothing to worry about, and until recently it was normal. See http://www.livescience.com/12891-natural-sleep.html

Keep a 5 gallon water jug next to your bed so you don't have to turn lights on or walk around.

Don't drink any liquid after 6PM.

This sheit-tier blog (I swear, not a single link works on that page) post from 2011 references one study as makes it sound as if biphasic sleep is some upcoming trend. Gtfo. This is not how science works.

Here is a legit reference:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29352373

. Sleep Interventions Designed to Improve Athletic Performance and Recovery: A Systematic Review of Current Approaches. 2017.

After evaluating studies on sleep extension, napping, sleep hygiene, and post-exercise recovery strategies the conclude that "Evidence suggests that sleep extension had the most beneficial effects on subsequent performance." Sleep extension is the opposite of biphasic or discontinuous sleep.

interesting. I usually have to get up once during the night, and i only set aside usually about 6 hours to sleep (but i have been improving a little lately). But anyway, I find that running in the evenings makes it necessary to drink more, since i do believe religously in post workout recovery drinks. And the other thing is the protein shake - recommendations are to drink a dose before bed because so much muscle recovery goes on in your sleep, and that is such a large window with no protein intake otherwise. So, who do you want to rob from - your uninterupted sleep period or your overnight protein synthesis window?

I signed up for the RW newsletter. It sends me an email every day, usually of some worthless information. But last week, they hit this topic on the head.

https://www.runnersworld.com/sleep/why-you-wake-up-at-night

I've been doing this for a week now. I still wake up but i'm only getting up twice to pee. i was up to 4x a night.

You may be sensitive to caffeine. It's very common but the West is in love with coffee (or tea) so no-one talks about it. Depending on your source up to 50-60% of men are sensitive to caffeine to the point that it causes urinary urgency. You could do an abstinence test; go for a few days with no caffeine and see what happens. Or deny that's even a possibility and never embark on what is quite a reasonable and potentially life-changing test.

It's up to you. If you are like most Westerners you will never do a 3 day caffeine abstinence test.

adiBRO wrote:

This sheit-tier blog (I swear, not a single link works on that page) post from 2011 references one study as makes it sound as if biphasic sleep is some upcoming trend. Gtfo. This is not how science works.

Here is a legit reference:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29352373

. Sleep Interventions Designed to Improve Athletic Performance and Recovery: A Systematic Review of Current Approaches. 2017.

After evaluating studies on sleep extension, napping, sleep hygiene, and post-exercise recovery strategies the conclude that "Evidence suggests that sleep extension had the most beneficial effects on subsequent performance." Sleep extension is the opposite of biphasic or discontinuous sleep.

I'm not talking about bimodal sleep as a means of cutting down on total sleep, but as something that's historically normal. Basically you wake up for 20 minutes to an hour and then fall back asleep. As long as you still get enough sleep, who cares?

Here's another article about it, from the BBC:

freelove wrote:

[quote]adiBRO wrote:

This sheit-tier blog (I swear, not a single link works on that page) post from 2011 references one study as makes it sound as if biphasic sleep is some upcoming trend. Gtfo. This is not how science works.

Here is a legit reference: Sleep Interventions Designed to Improve Athletic Performance and Recovery: A Systematic Review of Current Approaches. 2017.

After evaluating studies on sleep extension, napping, sleep hygiene, and post-exercise recovery strategies the conclude that "Evidence suggests that sleep extension had the most beneficial effects on subsequent performance." Sleep extension is the opposite of biphasic or discontinuous sleep.

I'm not talking about bimodal sleep as a means of cutting down on total sleep, but as something that's historically normal. Basically you wake up for 20 minutes to an hour and then fall back asleep. As long as you still get enough sleep, who cares?

Here's another article about it, from the BBC: /quote]

To answer OPs question: Systematic review specifically addressed sleep, athletic performance, and recovery > BBC article about how pre-industrial ancestors sleeping patterns

Nobody cares that you are Asian or are a beta Western male

I get up to pee a minimum of twice a night. Usually ends up being 3 times. I do probably drink more water than I should close to bed but am running a lot as well and want to stay hydrated. I find that I’m totally fine as long as I get enough total sleep (ex:8-9 hours with 2 wake ups vs 6 total hours with 2 wake ups). Hasn’t had much effect on my running. Wouldn’t worry too much about it

Caffeine wrote:

You may be sensitive to caffeine. It's very common but the West is in love with coffee (or tea) so no-one talks about it. Depending on your source up to 50-60% of men are sensitive to caffeine to the point that it causes urinary urgency. You could do an abstinence test; go for a few days with no caffeine and see what happens. Or deny that's even a possibility and never embark on what is quite a reasonable and potentially life-changing test.

It's up to you. If you are like most Westerners you will never do a 3 day caffeine abstinence test.

im a westerner and i quit caffeine about a week ago along with nicotine. i believe theres truth to this, i definitely dont seem to be peeing as much.. which is odd because im drinking a lot more water. i think i feel and look better already, like im much more hydrated instead of fluids just goin right through me.

BelieveBrah2018 wrote:

Caffeine wrote:

You may be sensitive to caffeine. It's very common but the West is in love with coffee (or tea) so no-one talks about it. Depending on your source up to 50-60% of men are sensitive to caffeine to the point that it causes urinary urgency. You could do an abstinence test; go for a few days with no caffeine and see what happens. Or deny that's even a possibility and never embark on what is quite a reasonable and potentially life-changing test.

It's up to you. If you are like most Westerners you will never do a 3 day caffeine abstinence test.

i believe theres truth to this,

Nicotine and caffeine have both been extensively studied and their effects are well understood. That they are both stimulants that act on the nervous system is non-controversial.

I’ve switched to V8 before bed instead of water. The salt in it seems to be just enough to retain the excess liquid over 8 hours. I wake up thirsty as hell, but for me the mild overnight dehydration was a good trade-off for uninterrupted sleep.