Official 2018 Dubai Marathon Discussion Thread

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  • Dubai stuff
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:19pm CST
    re: Hardloper
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    Hardloper wrote:

    Zero WR for sure wrote:

    rojo wrote:

    Hardloper wrote:

    I could have totally misread but it looked like they passed a 32k sign at 1:34:08 (2:04 pace). If that's the case the WR attempt is done.


    The WR was done before this started. The idea that the WR is going to be set here is like zero in my mind. Too warm. Now if Kipchoge showed up...


    Kipchoge doesn't need the $200k. It's always too hot for WR at this race. Old course was better too.


    If no-names consistently run 2:04 here it can't be that bad. I think Kipchoge would do it. However, a big name marathoner would risk having a sub-par race and losing to like 6 unknowns.


    Except maybe Haile GebrSilassie, no runner has ever replicated or run faster than their Dubai time. In fact majority have never come within two minutes of their Dubai time elsewhere. So to me, it is just a waste of time except of course for the winner since those bucks can easily get you in retirement especially in Ethiopia or any third world country.
  • Woopss
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:21pm CST
    re: question for all
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    Official grabbed her butt
  • ekw
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    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:21pm CST
    re: Dubai stuff
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    the namo guy is weird. Trying to get some of the spotlight clearly... Didnt move over at all. Almost broke the tape for her... then kept trying to hug her before she even hugged her agent and trainer and bf...

    I mean he ran about an 7-8 minute PR, but sheesh....
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:22pm CST
    re: Dubai stuff
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    I really don't like that the women's champion (Roza Dereje) had that male pacer to run with for the final miles. She could basically follow him with the other women having to chase her on their own.

    Not saying it necessarily would have changed the outcome, but I don't like it.
  • Mengstu
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:25pm CST
    re: Jonathan Gault
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    Mengstu looks like the Ethiopian Jake Robertson
  • even Steven
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:25pm CST
    re: Jonathan Gault
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    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    I really don't like that the women's champion (Roza Dereje) had that male pacer to run with for the final miles. She could basically follow him with the other women having to chase her on their own.

    Not saying it necessarily would have changed the outcome, but I don't like it.


    Why, they were pacing off him too, but they couldn't stay up. They had the same advantage.
  • Arsiii
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:28pm CST
    re: even Steven
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    even Steven wrote:

    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    I really don't like that the women's champion (Roza Dereje) had that male pacer to run with for the final miles. She could basically follow him with the other women having to chase her on their own.

    Not saying it necessarily would have changed the outcome, but I don't like it.


    Why, they were pacing off him too, but they couldn't stay up. They had the same advantage.


    I agree. Even indeed.
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:28pm CST
    re: even Steven
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    even Steven wrote:

    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    I really don't like that the women's champion (Roza Dereje) had that male pacer to run with for the final miles. She could basically follow him with the other women having to chase her on their own.

    Not saying it necessarily would have changed the outcome, but I don't like it.


    Why, they were pacing off him too, but they couldn't stay up. They had the same advantage.


    That's a fair point, and I think she still should have won. But once she makes the break, I feel like having him there helps her more than it should.
  • even Steven
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:31pm CST
    re: Jonathan Gault
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    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    even Steven wrote:

    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    I really don't like that the women's champion (Roza Dereje) had that male pacer to run with for the final miles. She could basically follow him with the other women having to chase her on their own.

    Not saying it necessarily would have changed the outcome, but I don't like it.


    Why, they were pacing off him too, but they couldn't stay up. They had the same advantage.


    That's a fair point, and I think she still should have won. But once she makes the break, I feel like having him there helps her more than it should.


    Sorry, I wasn't being a butthead, I just truly don't see the difference. But yes, he helped her to run faster, I just think she still would have won as the others couldn't keep up. Oh well:) Thanks for the coverage of the race, much appreciated.
  • this and this
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:32pm CST
    re: even Steven
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    If you are going to pace someone, best to do it till the end.
    Some people might benefit from having someone there all the way to the finish.
    And she did not really draft off him, just ran next to or a little behind the pacer.
    The pacer did pull back a few yards before the finish to allow the first woman to break the tape.

    Agree that every other woman had a chance to be up there with/next to the male pacer.
  • Arsi
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:36pm CST
    re: Jonathan Gault
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    You can't blame her for following the pacer while the rest were too lazy to do so.
  • monetary pacer
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:39pm CST
    re: even Steven
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    even Steven wrote:

    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    even Steven wrote:

    Jonathan Gault wrote:

    I really don't like that the women's champion (Roza Dereje) had that male pacer to run with for the final miles. She could basically follow him with the other women having to chase her on their own.

    Not saying it necessarily would have changed the outcome, but I don't like it.


    Why, they were pacing off him too, but they couldn't stay up. They had the same advantage.


    That's a fair point, and I think she still should have won. But once she makes the break, I feel like having him there helps her more than it should.


    Sorry, I wasn't being a butthead, I just truly don't see the difference. But yes, he helped her to run faster, I just think she still would have won as the others couldn't keep up. Oh well:) Thanks for the coverage of the race, much appreciated.


    There was bonus money for the pacers if the runners set a CR. The men's pacer stuck around a long time. The women's pacer did as well, and he realized he could break 2:20 so kept going. He should have moved aside and let the lead woman finish on her own, but the course people should have handled that. There was no separation at the end for any men to be diverted towards.

    At least this year, Dubai fixed the messed up start from last year. Next year they should some banners splitting men from women at the end of the race, as most races do.
  • olyrun
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:42pm CST
    re: rojo
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    Great Running. A joy to watch.
  • this and this
    2 years ago 01/25/2018 10:47pm CST
    re: this and this
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    The male pacer appeared to have finished the race in 14th place overall for men!

    Can't blame him for running all the way through the tape. He was looking around some near the end, perhaps for other men...
    He could have been thinking there was a good chance to win some prize money.

    He did not win any of the top 10 prize money, but we do not know for sure that he did not know he was finishing out of the money.

    In a marathon you just never know. With a mile to go someone can confirm you are in 14th place but at the finish you might be in 9th, without ever passing any other people running. People collapse and end up on the side of the road all the time, and you may not see them.
  • Shoebacca
    registered
    2 years ago 01/26/2018 8:24am CST
    re: this and this
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    It's also possible his contract included a bonus for finishing, particularly within a certain time.
  • Augusto E. Perez
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    2 years ago 01/26/2018 8:53am CST
    re: Dubai stuff
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    Dubai stuff wrote:
    Except maybe Haile GebrSilassie, no runner has ever replicated or run faster than their Dubai time. In fact majority have never come within two minutes of their Dubai time elsewhere. So to me, it is just a waste of time except of course for the winner since those bucks can easily get you in retirement especially in Ethiopia or any third world country.


    Mare Dibaba
    2:19:52 in Dubai
    2:19:52 in Xiamen
  • weird
    2 years ago 01/26/2018 9:04am CST
    re: Augusto E. Perez
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M04BfA0Md3Q replay here
  • Karl Hungus
    registered
    2 years ago 01/26/2018 12:44pm CST
    re: weird
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    15 seconds between runners 1-6? That's awesome.

    So, what would it take for Dubai to surpass Berlin as the "go to" for those attempting WR performances?
  • BYU Student
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    2 years ago 01/26/2018 4:03pm CST
    re: weird
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    weird wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M04BfA0Md3Q replay here


    Thanks for the link!

    Is the audio strange for anyone else? At some points it was five full minutes behind...

    But what an incredible race. Mind-blowing finish. America, we've got some work to do.
  • Hobby_Jogger_999
    2 years ago 01/26/2018 4:28pm CST
    re: BYU Student
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    BYU Student wrote:

    weird wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M04BfA0Md3Q replay here


    Thanks for the link!

    Is the audio strange for anyone else? At some points it was five full minutes behind...

    But what an incredible race. Mind-blowing finish. America, we've got some work to do.


    Yes, the audio is out of synch.