The greatest GOAT: Tom Brady or Michal Jordan

Dumb comparison wrote:

Nobody tries to copy Brady.

Thanks for the laugh. The idiocy on this site is amazing.

F Boston wrote:

Jordan didn’t cheat

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I remember a pretty big push off...

[quote]Truth b told wrote:

Honestly you are just ignorant. Let's put this nonsense about Bill being such a great coach and Brady not being that important. In 2000 Brady was on the bench with an excellent quaterback, drew bledsoe, starting for the pats. Bill was coaching and the pats record was 5 - 11.

The very next year Brady takes over the team and the record jumps to 11 - 5.

Are you going to tell us Bill suddenly learned how to coach?

It was all brady. Now admit you were wrong and crawl back in your hole.

No, when Brady took over they changed the offense to the dink and dunk we see today because they had a game manager with a weaker arm at QB. As time went on they found that this was the most effective way to move the ball safely, less INT's and very efficient. Bill has perfected that and Brady has thrived, play it safe, short passes, easy to get rid of the ball quickly and not having to wait for an open receiver is the way every team should do it. But, they choose to look for the big play, instead of controlling the ball.

2nd opinion wrote:

Lolololo wrote:

Jordan easily.

How many championships did Jordan win without pippen? None

Horace Grant was a super athlete......And Dennis Rodman?

Jordan was so arrogant that he would never give credit to anyone else, but he was surrounded by great players.

He didn't even make the finals in most of his seasons. A Brady team made the finals 50% of the time.

Jordan would probably be only in my top 5 if I could pick one to start my team....Russel, Shaq,Lebron, jabbar

But Brady would be the first player I would want to build a team around.

How many championships would Brady win without Belichick?

It is a fun question to ponder.

The arrogance thing is not really a factor now is it?

Luv2Run wrote:

2nd opinion wrote:

How many championships did Jordan win without pippen? None

Horace Grant was a super athlete......And Dennis Rodman?

Jordan was so arrogant that he would never give credit to anyone else, but he was surrounded by great players.

He didn't even make the finals in most of his seasons. A Brady team made the finals 50% of the time.

Jordan would probably be only in my top 5 if I could pick one to start my team....Russel, Shaq,Lebron, jabbar

But Brady would be the first player I would want to build a team around.

How many championships would Brady win without Belichick?

It is a fun question to ponder.

The arrogance thing is not really a factor now is it?

Belichick went 5-11 with a great quarterback, drew bledsoe. The next year he starts Brady goes 11-5 and WINS a Superbowl. How many super bowls would belichick have won without brady.

Arrogance is not a factor except when Jordan didn't give teammates credit, fans didn't either. They figured it was all jordan and they still do.

There are athletes who have compiled more dominant winning records.

Recently, Kipchoge's marathon record comes to mind. One loss and it took a world record to beat him.

And Moses ran a dominant winning record in the 400H.

Of course, Karelin's record puts them all to shame.

statitisticsistricky wrote:

There are athletes who have compiled more dominant winning records.

Recently, Kipchoge's marathon record comes to mind. One loss and it took a world record to beat him.

And Moses ran a dominant winning record in the 400H.

Of course, Karelin's record puts them all to shame.

Actually is a much greater accomplishment to have consistent championships when you are great and you have to win with teammates who may not be so great. Its harder to do. Its easier to win championships when you are great but you don't have to carry any weaker teammates.

Now you are just talking nonsense and trolling.

The smartest, the most accurate arm, and the toughest competitor that's why he wins and belichick couldn't without him.

Neither, the GOAT across all sports is Michael Phelps... total domination in four Olympics winning 28 gold medals (23 gold) and breaking 39 world records.

No one is getting close to that

Jordan. Though both play a game and not partake in a sport, one was clearly the most dominating and the GGOAT. If you say Brady you might as well bring up some darts player from the UK pro leagues. A qb is not an athlete.

The GOAT of all GOATs is Messi.

I can't seriously consider Jordan as an athlete. In his prime, he was 6'6" and 205lbs. Tom Brady is 6'4" 225. Brady has an actual physique of an athlete and not a stick figure.

Unbelievable sad posters wrote:

Clearly nobody here has ever watched Tom Brady play football once, it’s a waste of time even debating because you people are so blind it’s mind boggling

+1. This thread is one of the most idiotic ever.

I wish Bill Belichick would have moved to a different team a few years ago while Brady was still in his prime so you all could appreciate just how great Brady is.

If you want to play the great coach card you could easily say the same about Jordan. Jordan won with Phil Jackson. When they split, Phil Jackson continued winning (with Kobe and Shaq) and Jordon crumbled.

Belichick has been the head coach of four teams, yet only won SBs with TB12.

nobill wrote:

I wish Bill Belichick would have moved to a different team a few years ago while Brady was still in his prime so you all could appreciate just how great Brady is.

If you want to play the great coach card you could easily say the same about Jordan. Jordan won with Phil Jackson. When they split, Phil Jackson continued winning (with Kobe and Shaq) and Jordon crumbled.

Well, we have seen just how average Brady really is in many games, first half of last years Super Bowl for example (he sucked).

Then Bill goes in at half time and makes adjustments and the same shitty QB looks great. But, anybody with any sense knows that it is the adjustments made that make it different. Brady would have continued sucking if Bill didn't fix it for him.

bills bro wrote:

nobill wrote:

I wish Bill Belichick would have moved to a different team a few years ago while Brady was still in his prime so you all could appreciate just how great Brady is.

If you want to play the great coach card you could easily say the same about Jordan. Jordan won with Phil Jackson. When they split, Phil Jackson continued winning (with Kobe and Shaq) and Jordon crumbled.

Well, we have seen just how average Brady really is in many games, first half of last years Super Bowl for example (he sucked).

Then Bill goes in at half time and makes adjustments and the same shitty QB looks great. But, anybody with any sense knows that it is the adjustments made that make it different. Brady would have continued sucking if Bill didn't fix it for him.

Actually, just the opposite. We have seen how Bill has done without Brady. People seem to forget that Bill got his first head coaching job in 1991 with the Browns. He didn't start winning until Brady came along in 2001. Brady > Belichick and it's not even close. Nobody would be calling him the greatest coach without Brady.

If you want to see a GOAT still playing well right now, go turn on soccer and watch Lionel Messi. Soccer sees more worldwide participation than basketball, football, or hockey. His domination considering the amount of people playing soccer makes a strong case for him being the greatest GOAT.

Shoebacca wrote:

If you want to see a GOAT still playing well right now, go turn on soccer and watch Lionel Messi. Soccer sees more worldwide participation than basketball, football, or hockey. His domination considering the amount of people playing soccer makes a strong case for him being the greatest GOAT.

Of course

oppo wrote:

bills bro wrote:

Well, we have seen just how average Brady really is in many games, first half of last years Super Bowl for example (he sucked).

Then Bill goes in at half time and makes adjustments and the same shitty QB looks great. But, anybody with any sense knows that it is the adjustments made that make it different. Brady would have continued sucking if Bill didn't fix it for him.

Actually, just the opposite. We have seen how Bill has done without Brady. People seem to forget that Bill got his first head coaching job in 1991 with the Browns. He didn't start winning until Brady came along in 2001. Brady > Belichick and it's not even close. Nobody would be calling him the greatest coach without Brady.

Nope, he was turning that thing around in Cleveland until he left. He inherited a much better team in New England and he has had a much better owner at New England. They give him what he needs. When teams pressure Brady he looks like crap, he cannot improvise, he cannot make something out of nothing, he can't move outside the pocket. He needs Bill to set up the system and get guys open. Elway, Rodgers, Montana just to name a few can get out and make a play, not even close.