The greatest GOAT: Tom Brady or Michal Jordan

no no wrote:

Truth b told wrote:

Simple question, the most important question to answer in determining the most amazing GOAT,

Who won the most (that's what it's all about)

Tom Brady won 77.7 % of the time. No one comes close to that.

Brady is the GOAT of GOATS!

Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl until Bill got the right mix, if it was all brady there would't have been a 10 year gap with him at QB.

How many conference championships did the pats have before Brady was the starting quarterback? How many super bowl wins ...zero.

What are the pats percentage of winning the conferences with Brady starting versus without.

Bill did crap before Brady became a starter. Bill won nothing without brady. Bill is not the one making the plays and winning the games.

Just because you don't like brady, don't fail to recognize his brilliance.

no no wrote:

Truth b told wrote:

Simple question, the most important question to answer in determining the most amazing GOAT,

Who won the most (that's what it's all about)

Tom Brady won 77.7 % of the time. No one comes close to that.

Brady is the GOAT of GOATS!

Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl until Bill got the right mix, if it was all brady there would't have been a 10 year gap with him at QB.

That is just stupid. How many truly greatquarterbacks go their whole career and only win two superbowls, or only 1 or none?

He didn't even play his first few years with the pats, but as soon as he got a chance due to the injury of a very good quarterback, hisbrillance was seen.

77.7% career winning percentage!

Nobody matches that.

nod wrote:

We aren't talking about most athletic. That award easily goes to LeBron. We are talking about most dominant. Every bench warmer in the NBA is more athletic than Tiger Woods. Brady is right up there with Jordan. Anyone who thinks otherwise is uninformed. Many people said the same crap about Jordan while he was playing. "Oh yeah, Jordan is good, but he's only dominant is this soft league and would never match up against Wilt, Kareem and Russell."

Jordan had to play every facet of his sport. Brady dances around behind line and pops the ball off to real athletes. The pathetic fawning of "wow he is 40" is laughable, when Darrell Green was an NFL cornerback at 42, THAT is a phenomenal athletic feat, in terms of physical requirements Brady just needs to bounce on his toes for 5 seconds a play and duck when anyone comes within 3 yards of him. Its not exactly a physically demanding position.

Mentally Brady is incredible, no question about that but Jordan was a freak mentally AND physically.

Brady throughout his career won77.7% of the time.

Jordan didn't win as much as brady.

Winning in sport is the truest measure of greatness.

Truth b told wrote:

nurules wrote:

Jordan had to play every facet of his sport. Brady dances around behind line and pops the ball off to real athletes. The pathetic fawning of "wow he is 40" is laughable, when Darrell Green was an NFL cornerback at 42, THAT is a phenomenal athletic feat, in terms of physical requirements Brady just needs to bounce on his toes for 5 seconds a play and duck when anyone comes within 3 yards of him. Its not exactly a physically demanding position.

Mentally Brady is incredible, no question about that but Jordan was a freak mentally AND physically.

Brady throughout his career won77.7% of the time.

Jordan didn't win as much as brady.

Winning in sport is the truest measure of greatness.

You're a moran. We're talking team sports here credit for winning percentage goes directly to the team ESPECIALLY in football where you have completely separate divisions for offense and defense. If his defense was terrible there's nothing that Brady could do about it and his team would lose many games. Jordan is BY FAR better than Brady at his sport and in fact better than any football player can be since players impact only one side of the ball. That's like saying a 0 on defense like James Harden has an argument against Jordan. And to the guy that said Lebron was more dominant than Jordan you obviously know nothing about basketball.

MJ without a doubt.

Brady has had a lot of team success, but there has only been one season where he was the undisputed MVP and he is not in the top-3 in any game, season or career stats. With all of that said, the stat that matters most is championships and that's Brady's primary claim to fame. However, even in terms of championships, he is tied with 2 other quarterbacks. Brady is perhaps the greatest quarterback, but he was never as dominant as MJ as an individual and MJ won more championships.

That UNC champion team over Georgetown was James Worthy's team, but Michael Jordan was a significant factor. Michael Jordan was a great basketball player in college and NBA. Tom Brady was basically a bum in college in comparison to Michael Jordan's time in college. Brady had a weak throwing arm in college. Brady's weak throwing arm was why so many NFL passed on him in the draft multiple times, including Patriots. Look back at Brady's first season and a half in the NFL. Compare to Brady to Bledsoe. Brady's arm was inferior to Bledsoe's but Brady was more mobile than the older and worn down Bledsoe. Fast forward to Brady's third season. Brady all of a sudden had a strong throwing arm. PED testing in NFL is a joke! Brady has been on the juice for years. Brady is your classic micro-doper. Jordan has been a flawed person. Jordan, during his playing days would go on gambling binges. There are tales of Jordan gambling all-night in NJ during road playoff games in NYC. Jordan ran up personal huge gambling debts to Chicago "Wise Guys." Jordan, IMO was always PED clean. Jordan was a complete basketball player, offense and defense. Know this: Brady gets so much credit for 4th quarter comeback victories. None of Brady's career comeback victories were possible without Patriot defense shutting down opponents in 4th quarter of games.

Takinadump wrote:

Truth b told wrote:

Brady throughout his career won77.7% of the time.

Jordan didn't win as much as brady.

Winning in sport is the truest measure of greatness.

You're a moran. We're talking team sports here credit for winning percentage goes directly to the team ESPECIALLY in football where you have completely separate divisions for offense and defense. If his defense was terrible there's nothing that Brady could do about it and his team would lose many games. Jordan is BY FAR better than Brady at his sport and in fact better than any football player can be since players impact only one side of the ball. That's like saying a 0 on defense like James Harden has an argument against Jordan. And to the guy that said Lebron was more dominant than Jordan you obviously know nothing about basketball.

You are quite the moran, you have to be so much better to lead your team to a 77.7% winning percentage when you are only playing 1/2_the time.

Jordan was given a pass by every referee. At the end of games players were not allowed to guard him or they would be called for a foul. Jordan did well when he had amazing players around him. He was near average when he played at Washington.

Brady willed himself to be great. That why he is excelling late in his career and jordan did not.

You are an idiot. Brady won even during times when the Pats defense was weak. As far as his famous 4 th quarter come backs, how many times did he tear the heart out of opposing teams when they scored at the end of a game and he marches the team down the field with under 2 minutes and win the game. Do you watch football?

Jordan was an embarrassment when he played for washington.

This is the funniest post in this thread. You know that Jordan was 39 and 40 after coming off of a second retirement when he played in Washington, right? That's ancient for a guard in the NBA!

If you want to compare winning percentages then compare the ones that matter!

Jordan 6-6 NBA championships

Brady 5-2 Superbowls

Gee I wonder which one is better??

Truth b told wrote:

77.7% career winning percentage!

Nobody matches that.

That is because Bill has developed into the best coach in NFL history.

If Mike Tomlin was coaching the Patriots with the exact same roster they would not even be close to what they are and Brady would be retired by now. Bill made Brady, he coached him to what he is, Brady is smart and understands you throw the ball away when there is nothing there, you take a sack instead of being a hero and getting beat up, Bill enlightened him to the fact that there is always another play. A coach like Tomlin, too proud to learn, would never have taught him a thing.

Brady hands down.

Um ever heard of a girl named Jordan Hasay

No need to disparage either of these 2 guys. They are/were tremendous winners in their respective sports.

No comment I see on Brady at age 25 in his third NFL season all of a sudden gaining a strong throwing arm. Referring to me as an idiot impresses no one.

I really, really hope Bill retires this year so all you haters can see Tommy win without him.

Peyton Manning