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I can't tell if he was intentionally sending a signal in the article but there were several red flags included. She hoods a bunch of world records but all were set years ago. Her career has not gone in a straight line which obviously was going upward but has been on the decline. She has been at a high level for 8 years which is a magic number that many use for elite level.
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The decision-making process seems rock-solid, good lesson for others going through the process. Go with your gut, its not all about going where the fastest runners are or the coaches with the best resumes or even the highest-ranked school on US News and World Report. Grace Ping seems like a kid that has found real balance between running and the rest of her life.
"I really just built a lot of trust with the coaches and had a good relationship with them," she said. "I loved the campus. It was super clean and nice. And I loved the girls on the team. I was able to meet them through Zoom." -
Francie Larrieu?
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Maybe it's time she spend more time training instead of hooking up with bad boy Rheinhardt Harrison.
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dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
summer of free money wrote:
Isn't slide #4 on this wrong? "No woman has held the U.S. high school record at 1500, 1600, mile, 3000, 3200, or 2-mile has ever made a U.S. Olympic team, but 5 men have done it".
Mary Decker?
Decker's time was an indoor race and I am not sure they were keeping woman's high school records back then. It should be pointed out that a lot of those guys were in time periods where woman weren't allowed to run. Since 1975 how many men have set one of those records and then made an olympic team? Webb and Trautman off the top of my head. Lynn Jennings did have the indoor mile record and Cathy Schiro did hold the 5000m record.
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So after reading this whole thread, it seems the logic of the Ping haters here seem to boil down to "if you are a fast kid you will suck". Not sure that makes perfect sense but the concept of overachieving young is certainly a real thing. And Grace Ping will never live down the legend she created when she blew up Roy Griak as a 12 year old. That video has far more views than any other race footage on youtube for better or for worse. Clearly maturing out of adolescence hasnt been to the benefit to her running career but count me as a fan nonetheless. Shes a good kid and I wish her all the success in the world at Oklahoma State. Hopefully she feels a sense of stability there and finds passions beyond running. Meanwhile Lauren seems to be continuing to get better and better. You have to wonder if seeing her older sis be king of the world at such a young age and having lived inside that sometimes unhealthy bubble along side her for so long as a sibling has given her some incites in perspective and how to approach her career long term. Hard to say. But so far no sign of her being "forgotten" despite the guarantees of some early in this thread.
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grace has some youtube interviews that talk about needing to eat to keep up with training and learning the hard way that staying healty takes eating a lot. Aligning with her time off, my guess is she has had bone injuries and her bones aren't where they need to be. This is what happens to young achievers who have to go through puberty. Athletes who achieve early need people in their circle that are supportive of and counseling, how much to eat, how important getting the period is... couple good interviews by brie oakley lately... people should watch.
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Sam I Am Not wrote:
9:45 for 3k indoors is about 2 seconds off her pr according to milesplit.
and about 16:25 for 5k outdoors.
Her age 13 world record is 16:25.63.
According to one source the age 14 world record is 16:24.28 by Emily Pigeon.
Ping should get that this spring after track season.
No. Just no. 9:45 for 3K is not 16:25. It might be 16:59. -
I. Rex wrote:
So after reading this whole thread, it seems the logic of the Ping haters here seem to boil down to "if you are a fast kid you will suck". Not sure that makes perfect sense but the concept of overachieving young is certainly a real thing. And Grace Ping will never live down the legend she created when she blew up Roy Griak as a 12 year old. That video has far more views than any other race footage on youtube for better or for worse. Clearly maturing out of adolescence hasnt been to the benefit to her running career but count me as a fan nonetheless. Shes a good kid and I wish her all the success in the world at Oklahoma State. Hopefully she feels a sense of stability there and finds passions beyond running. Meanwhile Lauren seems to be continuing to get better and better. You have to wonder if seeing her older sis be king of the world at such a young age and having lived inside that sometimes unhealthy bubble along side her for so long as a sibling has given her some incites in perspective and how to approach her career long term. Hard to say. But so far no sign of her being "forgotten" despite the guarantees of some early in this thread.
I do not hate her. What I hate are all the "championship" races for high school and younger kids. Jim Ryun peaked at 21 because of all the attention and the pushing. What kind of times would he and others have achieved if allowed to peak in their late 20s. And yes, it's still happening today. America has the greatest high school track & field program in the world. But after high school, many have nowhere to go and the rest get pushed to excel. Include all track & field events in this tragedy. And it doesn't matter how much I rant. It's likely to continue. -
gotit wrote:
grace has some youtube interviews that talk about needing to eat to keep up with training and learning the hard way that staying healty takes eating a lot. Aligning with her time off, my guess is she has had bone injuries and her bones aren't where they need to be. This is what happens to young achievers who have to go through puberty. Athletes who achieve early need people in their circle that are supportive of and counseling, how much to eat, how important getting the period is... couple good interviews by brie oakley lately... people should watch.
yeah I saw the Ben Crawford video she did where she just sat there in front of the camera and poured her guts out about body issues and injuries and even mental health (Emily Covert did one too). I know shes pretty shy by nature so its really cool of her to be so open about some pretty personal stuff because she knows other girls are going through the same thing. She was one of those rare phenoms that didnt even start running until her junior year and within a year was the best in the country. text book meteoric rise. so when she started having health issues it was a long fall back down to earth for her.
Carly McNatt is another kid who is being public about her ongoing body issues. she went from a rail thin freshman running low 17's and finishing 8th at Footlocker to down for six months with two simultaneous stress fractures. now shes openly embraced that her body NEEDS to take on weight and shes made it part of her training regiment and talks about it openly which is all the more impressive because while Brie is a senior in college, Carly is a high school sophomore! shes slowly progressing this year and running great times in almost anybody's book but admits that not being as fast as she use to be is tough mentally. I feel sorry for the girls really. Puberty works to HELP boys get better. But it does the opposite for females. And accepting that you have to learn to be slower and heavier to become better is hard for a young kid to deal with. To many end up either fighting biology and hurting themselves or becoming discouraged and walking away. We need better smarter coaching at the high school level that takes into account how girls grow and what it means to how they should be training. -
waltertompatton wrote:
Sam I Am Not wrote:
9:45 for 3k indoors is about 2 seconds off her pr according to milesplit.
and about 16:25 for 5k outdoors.
Her age 13 world record is 16:25.63.
According to one source the age 14 world record is 16:24.28 by Emily Pigeon.
Ping should get that this spring after track season.
No. Just no. 9:45 for 3K is not 16:25. It might be 16:59.
Grace Ping has run a 9:33.85 3000m (see here):
https://www.tfrrs.org/results/47194/2957290/2017_UW_Invitational/Women_3000m_Run/
It never appears among her H.S. PR's though, probably because it was during a collegiate event. -
You are not helping her cause. She ran that 3 years ago and it likely will be her lifetime PR. 14 year old girls running in HS races does not work out well. Remember Stephanie Jenks?
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not quiet wrote:
You are not helping her cause. She ran that 3 years ago and it likely will be her lifetime PR. 14 year old girls running in HS races does not work out well. Remember Stephanie Jenks?
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Is Grace Ping doing XC this year?
No results of her on the DV team at all.
Sad to see this happen her senior year. -
trundzer wrote:
Is Grace Ping doing XC this year?
No results of her on the DV team at all.
Sad to see this happen her senior year.
Cory Mull (the MileSplit guy) said in an interview a while back that she has been "nursing an injury.) I have no idea what type or how serious. DV's varsity girls are scheduled to compete on the 23rd: hopefully we'll see her in action. -
Research Stephanie Jenks. Read the thread about Ryen Frazier. Sad but true.
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Girls run too much wrote:
Research Stephanie Jenks. Read the thread about Ryen Frazier. Sad but true.
I first found it baffling that Frazier was even allowed to compete this year, knowing that she graduated HS in 2015. I thought that her eligibility was up.
But then I saw that she had a medical hardship so NCAA granted her another year. -
Looks like Grace Ping finally raced, helping her team win the Div 1 AZ state meet.
http://tullyrunners.com/XC2020/Ratings_Nov14.htm
Fun Fact: the first 3 Desert Vista girls moved from Minnesota at some point. -
Desert Vista (Ahwatukee) is signed up for the AAU championship in Tallahassee on 12/5.
