running realty wrote:
so did they move for running purposes or was it something else like job opportunity/transfer? Wondering how Phoenix was the landing spot. Geez- if they moved for running purposes then something seems out of whack.
3 moves in 4 years. It's all about the running.
That doesn’t make sense, surely they’d move to one high altitude location or one strong team location and stick with it if it were for running purposes
Frmke wrote:
running realty wrote:
so did they move for running purposes or was it something else like job opportunity/transfer? Wondering how Phoenix was the landing spot. Geez- if they moved for running purposes then something seems out of whack.
Everyone seems to assume running but I’m pretty sure the dad said the last move was for his work (and it didn’t have any running benefits because of Utah’s rule about not allowing middle schoolers to run) then they moved back
Dad called the last move away a 1 year experiment. It was entirely personal.
The two pings bave had nice success. Congrats on all they have achieved. Several people predict huge things from them down the road. I briefly reviewed footlocker results history. It seems that those who finished well further back (10-25th) have evolved to be better as pro runners Not every single instance but more often the current best ladies were not the best in high school/middle school. Because of this i would surmise these two girls will fade further back from the front in upcoming years.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
For every runner that burns out, there are 10 that achieve great times in HS and end up college stars/professionals.
I make up facts wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
For every runner that burns out, there are 10 that achieve great times in HS and end up college stars/professionals.
I'd love to see the data on this!
Moving on up wrote:
3rd move in 4 years. Of course it is for running. Grace Ping is a multiple world record holder.
Let them be normal wrote:
I make up facts wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
For every runner that burns out, there are 10 that achieve great times in HS and end up college stars/professionals.
I'd love to see the data on this!
Me too... I would surmise it’s the reverse, especially for girls.
LateRunnerPhil - the new assclown of LetsRun. Doesn't need data, thought or reason, he has his opinions and that is all the truth he needs, all else be dammed.
I put it right at 50% for fast 14 year old girls who improve. I know more 8th grade phenoms who went backward than forward through high school.
Affolders are a patriotic military family. The Pings are a wealthy family with means to do whatever they choose. They moved to Utah for a year long ski vacation. No college coach should touch these girls because they will transfer 4 times before they are done. They will blame their coaches when they get slower every year.
Calling Out The Kettle wrote:
LateRunnerPhil - the new assclown of LetsRun. Doesn't need data, thought or reason, he has his opinions and that is all the truth he needs, all else be dammed.
Smells like Flagpole wrote:
Calling Out The Kettle wrote:
LateRunnerPhil - the new assclown of LetsRun. Doesn't need data, thought or reason, he has his opinions and that is all the truth he needs, all else be dammed.
Sounds like Flagpole on the Trump thread.
There is no data. If you study junior high and freshmen footlocker and NXN female qualifiers, just as many disappear as what continue to qualify throughout high school. Grace won Griak in 7th grade and was 2nd at New Balance. Check her places last year as a sophomore. Check back after senior year.
Check where Houlihan and Schweizer finished. You won't even find them and they are now the top 2 5k runners in the US.
Grace's best race of her career (16:25 - 5000) came during the summer (june 11) before she went in to high school. Lauren's best race of her career (10:23 - 2 mile) came during the summer (june 16) before she went into high school.
Since going into high school Grace has run 10:32 and 17:11 in 9th grade and then 10:47 and 17:14 in 10th grade. She was 6th at NXN as an 8th grader and 48th at NXN as a 10th grader.
Grace is now 2 years past her best fitness. There's no reason to believe Lauren is on a different trajectory.
I'm sure they'll have a ton of fun on Desert Vista's team, which will be great for them. Their top 7 girls 1600 season bests from 2019 are now:
4:50
4:59
5:10
5:16
5:26
5:30
5:33
data is all wrote:
Since going into high school Grace has run 10:32 and 17:11 in 9th grade and then 10:47 and 17:14 in 10th grade.
XC is for racing. Course conditions greatly change times. Her track times are concerning. She will struggle at a school where she is middle of the pack
