Katelyn Touhy- 15:37

Deadstream wrote:

Katelyn Tuohy's biggest high school to college transition challenge is going to be finding a college coach who's willing to say, "Her high school coaches handled her perfectly...how do I not f**k this up???"

You don't know if her HS coaches are handling her well. Just because she is running fast now doesn't mean they are doing it right. She has said in interviews after NXN, that she knew no one else had worked as hard.

Come back in two+ years and we shall see.

Jakoby wrote:

Yessiree Bob wrote:

= 14:04 for a 16 yo male.

http://www.howardgrubb.co.uk/athletics/wmalookup06.html

Nowhere close to the true phenom Jakob Ingebritsen.

That calculator is for masters athletes. IAAF gives her a 13:33 male equivalent. Edges out or at least comparable to Jakob's 13:35 PB

On FloTrack wrote:

bakers dozen wrote:

Article with splits (and age record claim).

4:54/9:54 are given. I would estimate she hit 3 miles in 15:05 or so, which would mean about 5:11 for the third mile.

She mentions that she went out a bit fast, while her coach talk about how even she ran....

FloTrack had the splits. She hit 3miles at 15:00. I didn't catch the 0.xx

She hit 4800m in 15:00 and change. Three miles would have been 15:05 (maybe 15:06).

There is no physiological second puberty. There is beer, over eating and boys. Most of these distractions come with college and are usually indicative of a kid who no longer puts running in front of life.

Great race, but certainly not worth 13:27.

The correct adjustment is closer to 14:07.

Hopefully she'll skip NCAA where she is far more likely to be overtrained and overraced.

So this is the first Mary Cain record to go down.

Wtf are u saying

You realize that 127 Collegiate Males ran 14:07 or faster last year in Outdoor Track . 2 Collegiate Females ran faster than 15:37... (All statistics are for the regular NCAA Track season).

Even making the case that 15:37 is comparable to a boy her age running 14:07 (due to thinking that physical maturity causes males to improve much more with age than females) this still isn't comparable. 10 High school boys have ran 14:01 or faster in the 5k... she just smashed the record. *Also, the improvement gap decreases the more elite you are... So the average 15-16 year old boy will improve much more than the average 15-16 year old due to maturity..of course.. But as you get to the cream of the crop, there's only so much anyone can improve.. And in most cases, these young athletes running these elite times have developed and matured more than the average runner of their age. A 15-16 year old male running 14:07 probably isn't your typical uncoordinated, undeveloped, physically weak runner who got cut from every other sport so gave running a chance.

There are far too many variables in these time-age-gender-equivalency tables.

So 15:37 is not equivalent to 14:07. 14:07 for Males is so mediocre you can't even make it to NCAA regionals.. 15:37 and you're an All-American looking for races where you can chase the World's Standard.

bleu wrote:

There is no physiological second puberty. There is beer, over eating and boys. Most of these distractions come with college and are usually indicative of a kid who no longer puts running in front of life.

Look at the following pictures of Cain in the summer between her junior and senior year in high school versus more recently. Would you say it was the beer, over-eating or boys that caused her to look more like a woman? 2013 v 2016 below.

dsrunner wrote:

Great race, but certainly not worth 13:27.

The correct adjustment is closer to 14:07.

Hopefully she'll skip NCAA where she is far more likely to be overtrained and overraced.

??? Hasay was only a 14:07 (equivalent) woman in College, yet she medaled and even won at NCAAs?

Equivalent has to be somewhere between 13:25 and 13:35.

He didn't even use the WAVA calculator (designed for masters)right. Input a 16-year old boy for the same performance level (96%) and you get 13:52.

15:37 was the #25 US women's time last year. The #25 men's time was 13:36

bleu wrote:

There is no physiological second puberty. There is beer, over eating and boys. Most of these distractions come with college and are usually indicative of a kid who no longer puts running in front of life.

quote]20,000 names wrote:

Look at the following pictures of Cain in the summer between her junior and senior year in high school versus more recently. Would you say it was the beer, over-eating or boys that caused her to look more like a woman? [quote]

A female's skeletal structure is fairly set at 17/18 years old. She may lose or add pounds to her frame but that is a result of lifestyle/diet. The exception to this would be an underdeveloped waif who restricted calories in order to delay puberty. I would not put Mary Cain in the exception category.

I agree, She gets great hip extension, her foot travels in a smooth circular motion and she lands with her foot facing straight-ahead. She demonstrates good ankle mobility as her heel stays on the ground for a long time as she brings her hips through-allowing her to get increased elastic energy from the achilles tendon and reducing the risk for lower leg injuries. Her pelvis stays in good position and she just has a great overall motion through her hips. She also and a nice, slight forward lean and runs pretty horizontally (as opposed to having a lot of vertical oscillation). Her running style doesn't seem to put any additional stress on her body. *I think I may agree with you that she maybe overstrides slightly, although I am not sure. Her foot position at ground contact looks pretty close to many top elites athletes I've watched (Plus; determining exact ground contact is pretty difficult). The main thing is-she doesn't appear to have show much of a "braking action" due to any overstride she may have.. it looks pretty smooth.

Her muscle tone seems to show she has decent strength.. obviously we can't know her strengths/weaknesses or diagnose any muscle imbalances solely off of appearances... but there's nothing strikingly concerning.

Her form plus probable strength seems to indicate she will have the capacity to train without chronic injuries (Assuming she doesn't have terrible bone density or some genetic factor that pre-disposes her to certain injuries).

When you look at everything about this girl, pretty much everything seems to indicates she will have a good career. *That could be 15:20 or 14:20.. who knows.. people seem to have a genetic potential and some reach that potential (Or get close) relatively quickly with relatively little training.. maybe she is one of them.. or maybe she will continue to adapt and progress the longer she trains. But from her individual case file, there isn't much to indicate she will just blow up, be injured all the time, burnout from running, that she has reached her absolute potential due to her current training, or anything like that.

Keep in mind she's been killing it since 7th grade (4:58 Mile, 10 flat 3k). Y'all were probably saying she would burnout by now, but she seems to be doing fine.

This side-on shot shows incredible form right on down to her finger tension. Formidable. Even most of the pros are not at this level, form-wise.

https://twitter.com/milestatdotcom

Everything about her points to a sub 15 performer. How much faster than that is tough to predict. She could probably sign a decent 10 year pro contract now where they would also pay for college but HS and College running is the best time of a runner’s life so it is probably not worth the trade off of just a living salary. It’s not like she would get a real pro contract like a male in the mainstream sports. I hope she sticks it out through college. She will be competing on the world stage anyway during that time.

Over eating, under training as I believe she was injured and she also picked up a boyfriend.

bleu wrote:

Over eating, under training as I believe she was injured and she also picked up a boyfriend.

I would tend to agree with you, which means she's still got the ability to be a contender on the world level.

Fast, but NOT an age group world record.

Eloise Poppett, a 16 year Aussie, ran 15:18 in 1999.