Hasay Post Houston

I'm confident that even if Hasay raced it all out that her focus is on the marathon and this is just considered a workout on her path to the marathon.

All runners are different, but personally with the way I trained I'm either going to run a better marathon or better half marathon and the two are not going to grade similarly. With a half marathon you can run close to threshold the whole time. With a marathon you have to be safely aerobic for the clear majority of it. These are two types of running engines and I don't think it's easy to swap those engines within a month of training.

My guess is Hasay has honed that marathon aerobic engine. It remains to be seen whether Huddle has optimized her aerobic engine to perform at high efficiency for a marathon. Zersenay Tadese is a good example of a half marathon runner who can dominate at threshold runs, but just hasn't proven he can run on an optimal aerobic engine for longer distances. Kim Smith was the same way, though I would argue her problems were mechanic. Huddle hasn't shown us enough yet in the marathon to make a clear case for her aerobic engine.

Doperrrr wrote: Is her lack of period proof of her using exogenous testosterone?

No, it's simply a clear indication that she's yet to hit puberty. I mean, have you actually looked at the girl? Tremendous runner and competitor, and I imagine she's a wonderful human being, but it is rare that you see a 20-something "woman" who physically looks more like a 5th-grader.

ManOverboard wrote:

Please Learn Something Today wrote:

BS!!!!!!!! Yes, she raced all out. Please stop with the sheer stupidity of comments. She raced all out!!!! Did everything she could but couldn't stay with the early hard pace...believe it or not.

She didn’t even try to stay with the early pace. Houston was a controlled workout for Hasay. Which is why she wasn’t out for burgers & beers afterwards.

Yes, she did try to and admitted so after the race. She wanted to beat Huddle and change her 0-11 record to 1-12 against her.

Controlled workout? That's ridiculous to the nth degree! She ran as hard as she could from the gun but the pace was so "hot" in the beginning, she didn't want to risk it. Did you see the 10k split? Do you know what Jordan's 10k pr is? And yes, I know Jordan---you don't.

More Letsrun experts overanalyzing everything.

You have no clue what she did that evening, I do and I even know where she ate. The race was in the early morning, it started in darkness. Jordan doesn't go out for burgers & beer at 10:30am.

You guys are clueless!!!:):):):):):):):)

"Yes, she did try to and admitted so after the race. She wanted to beat Huddle and change her 0-11 record to 1-12 against her."

both a win and and a not win. very zen.

@Niker wrote:

"Yes, she did try to and admitted so after the race. She wanted to beat Huddle and change her 0-11 record to 1-12 against her."

both a win and and a not win. very zen.

She went all out, face it.

Joseph McVeigh wrote:

When you are preparing for a marathon, your "season" = that marathon. Everything else is preparation for it. So even if you plan to race the HM all-out, which I assume Hasay did, you train through

Exactly. This is what Hasay did, but Huddle did not.

Thus Hasay is happy, and all is well, because this outcome fits exactly in her plan.

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hm i saw it and thought it was her little was of making it clear she hadn't raced all out..

Yeah, it was pretty obvious and pathetic excuse-making.

Who among us has NOT had a crap race and then told everyone in sight that we were training through or would be doing a long run after, etc?

Once during a race that went bad I spent the last mile figuring out where to go for a post-race hill workout.

Gramps `' wrote:

Joseph McVeigh wrote:

When you are preparing for a marathon, your "season" = that marathon. Everything else is preparation for it. So even if you plan to race the HM all-out, which I assume Hasay did, you train through

Exactly. This is what Hasay did, but Huddle did not.

Thus Hasay is happy, and all is well, because this outcome fits exactly in her plan.

Total crap. It doesn't matter about the marathon in 3 months, they raced all out in mid January at a half marathon. Huddle didn't train specifically for the half marathon either, but like Hasay, she ran all out. Hasay even said so before the race.

You guys are loony toons.

hhhrrryyy wrote:

Gramps `' wrote:

Exactly. This is what Hasay did, but Huddle did not.

Thus Hasay is happy, and all is well, because this outcome fits exactly in her plan.

Total crap. It doesn't matter about the marathon in 3 months, they raced all out in mid January at a half marathon. Huddle didn't train specifically for the half marathon either, but like Hasay, she ran all out. Hasay even said so before the race.

You guys are loony toons.

You must be new here. This is Letsrun. Everyone knows everything about elite running and racing. Jordan Hasay absolutely ran her hardest as did Molly Huddle. Huddle beat Hasay, so now she was training thru it. Stick around, you'll hear this after every major race, I guarantee it.

A lot of these questions were answered directly by Huddle and Hasay after the race in their interviews. For some reason Hasay looked much happier after the race than Huddle.

Stop making things up and posting them here.

Nope. Controlled workout. Doesn’t matter if you know Jordan or not; Alberto's the one setting the agenda. Maybe go watch her post-race interview again. Sure she would’ve loved to beat Huddle, but Molly's just plain faster at that distance and it wasn’t meant to be. Jordan wasn’t going to blow herself up trying.

Totally wrong. Jordan went all out and knew after a certain point that she was beat. You dummies fall for this every pre-race before a big race. She could not have beat Huddle but surely wanted to (go watch her pre-race). Nice try, but you failed.

cano2 wrote:

Totally wrong. Jordan went all out and knew after a certain point that she was beat. You dummies fall for this every pre-race before a big race. She could not have beat Huddle but surely wanted to (go watch her pre-race). Nice try, but you failed.

What are you predicting for Huddle at Boston.... 2:19... 2:16???

If I was Molly, I'd be pretty bummed that if I had won a race that Hasay wasn't optimally prepared for. It's a hollow victory

Where is her pre-race interview?

Joseph McVeigh wrote:

When you are preparing for a marathon, your "season" = that marathon. Everything else is preparation for it. So even if you plan to race the HM all-out, which I assume Hasay did, you train through

Thats fair to say, Joe, so why talk about setting the AR at Houston if your season is in three months?

People who set ARs don't "talk the talk", they "walk the walk."

malmo, l'd venture that the AR chatter was a promotional favor to the event organizers and themselves. Plus, l'm of the thinking that it's OK to be in really good shape 3 months before the focus event provided you're not red-lining in training, and if you know you're going good, sometimes it's possible to overcome the temptation to sandbag.

ManOverBoard is absolutely right on. This was a controlled training race for Jordan. Also understand Jordan does everything she can to promote a race for all you race fans out there and for racing in general. She probably knew she was going to run a controlled race yet created race hype by saying she was going for the record.

I predict she follows the same path she ran last year. Probably next up will be Jacksonville in early March, than another half in Europe three weeks before Boston. You can say what you want about Alberto, but they have a plan and it's a good one.

malmo wrote:

Joseph McVeigh wrote:

When you are preparing for a marathon, your "season" = that marathon. Everything else is preparation for it. So even if you plan to race the HM all-out, which I assume Hasay did, you train through

Thats fair to say, Joe, so why talk about setting the AR at Houston if your season is in three months?

People who set ARs don't "talk the talk", they "walk the walk."

Bingo, Malmo is the only one who got it! You other guys are making excuses like there's no tomorrow. She went all out and got beat. Controlled my butt;)