2020 US Olympic Marathon Trials bidders - Atlanta, Austin, Chattanooga, Orlando - Who you got?

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6 years ago 01/13/2018 4:12pm EST

re: Flipo

I'm still not buying that the Trials race has to be in warm weather because the Olympics will be in warm weather. Make the Trials the year before the Olympics then so everyone has been doing their training in the heat. It's ridiculous to expect everyone coming from cold areas of the country without the same benefits NOP has to perform well. I think that the top-3 on each side can spend their time from the Trials until the Olympics training for the heat. Why put athletes through that twice in a span of 5-6 months. And it should be noted that a lot of the top-3 in 2016 took some serious time off after the Olympic games- no fall marathons, some DNS action in the spring, injuries, some sub-par performances.

The 2012 Trials were great in Houston, giving so many athletes the opportunity to run fast. It's rare that you get to line up all of your best athletes for one race. In 2016, only 18 (out of 108) men ran under the B standard that got them there, 40 women under 2:45 (out of 149).

49 guys under 2:19 in 2012, 78 women 2:45 or better in Houston. Stop it with this the Trials are just to pick the best team possible and to simulate Tokyo conditions- great let's go to Tokyo summer of 2019 and run a race with the top-5 men and women on a track. I want to see a bunch of 2:15-19 guys and 40-45 women have a shot to put together a good race together at the trials. That crowd can be a lot more inspiring than a Rupp type.

6 years ago 01/13/2018 4:33pm EST

re: another runner

it's not just the heat/humidity in Florida and the south in general that will ruin a marathon, it's the wind

average person hasn't noticed there is a lot more wind, more frequent and higher gusts over the past few years but athletes like runners and cyclists definitely do

it's because climate change is causing deeper pockets of hot vs cool and the pressure difference is making wind more common and stronger and air rushes from one spot to the other

but marathon trials have never been about the easiest or fastest race, wasn't the last one a scorcher that took out several elites because of the late day start for television?

https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5058396-everyone-says-that-they-want-to-avoid-a-repeat-of-the-2016-marathon-trials

6 years ago 01/13/2018 7:35pm EST

re: FightFor15

The 2000 Olympic Trials Marathon in Pittsburgh was so hot that only one runner made the team.

6 years ago 01/16/2018 4:06am EST

re: another runner

another runner wrote:
another runner wrote:
You can't say it worked perfectly when you don't know what the results would have been if it wasn't held in LA. We could have had 3 medals instead of 1. We will never know. But it is well documented that marathons in the heat are not good for your running career. Just because you have 1 good marathon in the heat does not mean your next marathon in the heat will go as well.
Just ask Salazar and Beardsley, it took Salazar over a year to recover from the race and Beardsley was never the same. I know others who have been sick and fatigued for several months to a year after running a marathon in the heat. Like I said, the heat theory may work for 10Ks but not for marathons. Two back to back hot marathons could destroy the careers of some of our top runners.
http://www.coolrunning.com/boston/don1.htm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the LA marathon trials were based off the course and to some extent the weather conditions anticipated for Rio. I was at that race, and the heat showed to be little problem for the 97 lb Desi and Amy. However, Shalane, who is only slightly heavier, got punished in that heat, but made the team and performed well in Rio finishing 6th. Also, Desi and Amy got 7th and 9th, so the hot weather in LA may have picked a good team.

I was surprised that Galen held up so well in that heat, since he's a bit heavier than smaller runners like Ritz, who was surprisingly destroyed by the heat. However, Galen finished 3rd at the olympics, so I guess he was the right person to send. I heard Ward lost 15 lbs at the trials, but recovered nicely for the olympics and finished 6th. Meb had stomach problems and finished 33rd. However, having 2 of 3 of your athletes in the top 6 seems to show that the weather picked a good team.

The olympics marathon is 6 months after the trials, so plenty of time to recover. I understand there is some risk of a longer recovery/damage of running in the heat, but as long as the Olympic marathon continues to be in hot cities in August, I think that's what athletes have to prepare for. (Someone suggested that the Olympic marathon should be part of the winter olympics, to bring cooler weather. I guess that would help if the streets are not icy, but how can you count on that?)

I think that its better to simulate the conditions of the race that the team is trying to qualify for, rather than to just see who's the fastest on a cool day.

6 years ago 01/16/2018 6:50am EST

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
We just got the following press release from USATF.
USATF wrote:
Four cities declare intent to bid for 2020 U.S. Olympic Team Trials - Marathon
INDIANAPOLIS - Four cities have declared their intent to submit bids to host the 2020 U.S. Olympic Team Trials - Marathon, USATF announced Friday.
Atlanta, Georgia; Austin, Texas; Chattanooga, Tennessee; and Orlando, Florida all have officially declared their intent to bid to host the Olympic Trials. As was the case in 2012 in Houston and 2016 in Los Angeles, the 2020 U.S. Olympic Trials for women's and men's marathon will be contested on the same day early in the year, providing a focused, single-day showcase for the country's top runners.
"To have four new bidders for the Olympic Trials Marathon speaks to the attractiveness of the property and the support for our increasingly successful American marathon corps," USATF CEO Max Siegel said. "We look forward to taking the Olympic Trials to a new city to select one of the world's best Olympic marathon teams."
2017 was one of the most successful years on record for American marathoners. Shalane Flanagan became the first American woman in 40 years to win the TCS NYC Marathon; Galen Rupp was the first American man since 2002 to win the Bank of America Chicago Marathon and was second at the Boston Marathon; Amy Cragg won the bronze medal in the women's marathon at the 2017 IAAF World Championships; and Jordan Hasay finished third at both Boston and Chicago, where she became the second-fastest American woman in history.
At the 2016 Rio Olympic Games, Rupp took the men's bronze medal, with Jared Ward sixth and Meb Keflezighi 33rd. In the women's 2016 Olympic marathon, Flanagan was sixth, Desi Linden seventh, and Cragg ninth.
Final bids for the 2020 U.S. Olympic Team Trials - Marathon are due March 19. A USATF site selection committee, comprised of the chairs of the USATF Women's and Men's Long Distance Running Committees, a USATF Athletes Advisory Committee representative, USATF technical director and National Office staff, will review and assess all bids. The USATF Board of Directors will make the final site selection for the 2020 U.S. Olympic Team Trials - Marathon this spring, subject to approval by the United States Olympic Committee.
Update: Re-reading the release, we think it's possible another city could be added to the mix but right now it looks like it will be held in one of those 4 cities.

Austin

6 years ago 01/16/2018 8:14am EST

re: weather or not

weather or not wrote:
it's not just the heat/humidity in Florida and the south in general that will ruin a marathon, it's the wind
average person hasn't noticed there is a lot more wind, more frequent and higher gusts over the past few years but athletes like runners and cyclists definitely do
it's because climate change is causing deeper pockets of hot vs cool and the pressure difference is making wind more common and stronger and air rushes from one spot to the other
but marathon trials have never been about the easiest or fastest race, wasn't the last one a scorcher that took out several elites because of the late day start for television?
https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5058396-everyone-says-that-they-want-to-avoid-a-repeat-of-the-2016-marathon-trials

Climate change causing an increase in wind conditions is a thing? I have noticed in my metro area that it always seems to be windy and it’s really annoying, especially in the winter. I always thought it was because urban sprawl cut down all the windbreaks to the west and also farmers cutting down stands of trees to maximize area for planting corn to generate income from ethanol subsidies.

5 years ago 04/29/2018 1:50pm EDT

re: OLD SMTC SOB

So, Atlanta it is. Thoughts?

5 years ago 04/29/2018 4:13pm EDT

re: The Voice That Knows

5 years ago 04/29/2018 5:14pm EDT

re: rojo

The 10 year build up for #LA2028 Summer Olympics has really heated up due to social media,

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