Craig Engels pro debut - 3k at UW indoor

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  • Bill Oregon
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    2 years ago 01/11/2018 10:54pm CST
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    Predictions? Thoughts?
    I am gonna predict 7:38 with the winZ

    Editor's note: The race is over.

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    1 587 Engels, Craig Nike Oregon Project 7:55.66
    2 771 Farnham-Rose, Robb Unattached 7:57.02
    3 505 Parsons, George Adidas/Tinman Elite 7:59.11
    4 777 O'Neil, Austin Unattached 8:02.71
    5 525 Jordan, Michael American Dis 8:03.93
    6 863 Nading, Dustin Western Oregon 8:11.67
    7 716 Coyle, Thomas Stanford 8:12.90
    8 736 Fischer, Reed Tinman Elite 8:13.85
    9 625 Haughey, Gabriel Portland 8:13.91
    10 638 Silva, Evert Portland 8:14.38
    11 755 McDonald, Kieran U of Alberta 8:16.90
    12 727 Perrier, Patrick Stanford 8:18.68
    13 570 Perrin, Jake Gonzaga 8:24.49
    14 623 Grannetia, Simon Portland 8:26.07
    15 718 Grolle, Steven Stanford 8:32.95
    16 566 Kopczynski, Scott Gonzaga 8:32.98
  • the track dude
    2 years ago 01/11/2018 11:06pm CST
    re: Bill Oregon
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    7:42
  • post checks out
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    2 years ago 01/11/2018 11:42pm CST
    re: Bill Oregon
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    Bill Oregon wrote:

    Predictions? Thoughts?
    I am gonna predict 7:38 with the win


    No way he runs that fast, that's faster than Centro's PR. I'd say 7:45 + or - a couple seconds.
  • Woahwhywhat
    2 years ago 01/11/2018 11:44pm CST
    re: post checks out
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    If he runs sub 7:50, that would be quite remarkable in January.
    I think 7:54 and change
  • Peter Piper
    2 years ago 01/12/2018 12:10am CST
    re: Woahwhywhat
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    7:54 would be a great start.
  • Overestimator
    2 years ago 01/12/2018 6:45am CST
    re: Peter Piper
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    7:59. Not sure what he is doing in this event so maybe he will surprise.
  • reed
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    2 years ago 01/12/2018 10:36am CST
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    Engels is an 800/1500 guy like Murphy. Murphy ran like 8:16 in his 3k. Looking at other 800/1500 guys...

    Robby Andrews has run 8:40

    Wheating ran a 13:59 road 5k

    Merber has run 7:49

    Torrence ran 7:40 (7:53 in his 800m days)

    Leo 8:14

    Centro 7:40

    seems like high 7:40s could be likely if he's taking it seriously, but more likely chasing 7:50s
  • Storms Rising
    2 years ago 01/12/2018 11:14am CST
    re: Bill Oregon
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    Bill Oregon wrote:

    Predictions? Thoughts?
    I am gonna predict 7:38 with the win


    This is why we can't have nice things. Please tell me that you're not an adult, and are very new at track and field.
  • YEAH BUDDY
    2 years ago 01/12/2018 12:58pm CST
    re: Bill Oregon
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    Didn't he run a few races as a pro already? Do you mean pro indoor debut or pro 3k debut?
  • reza siempre
    2 years ago 01/12/2018 1:34pm CST
    re: YEAH BUDDY
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    Can't predict because we have not seen him race recently, but we can guess.

    Plus it's the first race, not too important.
  • ThatAverageRunner
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    2 years ago 01/12/2018 3:28pm CST
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    7:53.

    And he has certainly raced a number of times in the NOP singlet, so I'm guessing it's just his pro '3k' debut, although I don't see a 3k time from college, either. So maybe his 3k debut in general.
  • observer_of_things
    2 years ago 01/12/2018 3:49pm CST
    re: YEAH BUDDY
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    YEAH BUDDY wrote:

    Didn't he run a few races as a pro already? Do you mean pro indoor debut or pro 3k debut?


    Yeah, i remember him chasing the mid-race 800 bonus in the 5th ave mile ...
  • jacson freebase
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 1:48pm CST
    re: Bill Oregon
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    Did he cut the mullet? Stache?

    7:54
  • Saladstache
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 2:58pm CST
    re: jacson freebase
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    Alberto typically has his athletes ready to roll right off the bat so if he’s capable of running sub 7:50 he’ll do it here.
  • NOP Skeptic
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 4:11pm CST
    re: reed
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    reed wrote:

    Engels is an 800/1500 guy like Murphy. Murphy ran like 8:16 in his 3k. Looking at other 800/1500 guys...

    Robby Andrews has run 8:40

    Wheating ran a 13:59 road 5k

    Merber has run 7:49

    Torrence ran 7:40 (7:53 in his 800m days)

    Leo 8:14

    Centro 7:40

    seems like high 7:40s could be likely if he's taking it seriously, but more likely chasing 7:50s


    Merber, Torrence, and Centro are all 1500/3k/5k guys

    I mean, Centro ran 13:20 early season coming off of injury in 2014. David Torrence has consistently ran the 5k 13:17-13:25 since 2012 and was an Olympian in the 5k. Merber has been more solid in his 3k's than this his 800's.

    Engels in particular ran 24:00 for 8k I believe so he definitely has strength. I think a bit more strength than Wheating, Andrews, and Murphy, but at the same time, he doesn't have the raw speed these 3 guys did either. I would say long term, Engels will be a 1500, 3k guy once he gets adjusted to the NOP training. I expect around 7:55-8:00, but I think he could go 7:40-7:45 in a couple of years.
  • tommy tooters
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 7:23pm CST
    re: NOP Skeptic
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    bump
  • results reader
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 7:32pm CST
    re: tommy tooters
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    He ran 7:55 for the win
  • zesty girl
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 7:45pm CST
    re: results reader
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    results reader wrote:

    He ran 7:55 for the win


    I'm going out on a limb to proudly declare him the GOAT!
  • Lanceness
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 8:01pm CST
    re: zesty girl
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    Hmm, guess he's not much of a responder.
  • runnerguy315
    2 years ago 01/13/2018 8:40pm CST
    re: Bill Oregon
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    this wasnt his pro debut, he raced in the NOP kit multiple times last summer.